Hi Quentin, > "What is the kind of universe we must live in if the electromagnetic field > structure of the brain delivers qualia?" > > A. It is NOT the universe depicted by the qualia (atoma, molecules, > cells...). It is the universe whose innate capacity to deliver qualia is > taken advantage of when configureed like it appears when we use qualia > themselves to explore it....cortical brain matter. (NOTE: Please do not > make the mistake that sensors - peripheral affect - are equivalent to > qualia.)
I will only react to this... and I will deposit a large collection of weirdness for you to ponder.... Q. What is cortical brain matter ? Let us call our first candidate consistent with all the fatcs a monism made of MON_STUFF. We must give ourselves the latitude to consider various candidates. For the purposes it does not matter what it is. I will try and answer your questions by bringing in properties. So.... cortical brain matter is made of a collection of MON_STUFF. Not atoms. Atoms are organised MON_STUFF. Quarks are organised MON_STUFF. The MON_STUFF I choose, that seems to deliver everything I need and is the simplest possible choice: is 'the fluctuation'. Q. Does it exists by itself? No. It is nested MON_STUFF all the way down. It is intrinsically dynamic and fleeting. Anything made of MON_STUFF is persistent organisational structure within a massive collection of fleeting change. Exactly like the shapes in the water coming out of a garden hose. There is a critical minimum collection of it, from which all subsequent structure is derived. That minimum is created like collections of turbulent water molecules breaks off and self-sustains a eddy/vortex once a critical threshold is reached. Ultimately there is no need to prescribe an ultimate minimum 'atom-ish' minimal size MON_STUFF fluctuation to predict qualia. Someone else's problem. I don't need to solve that. The fluctuation model works...that's all I need to progress. Q. if so, what is it composed of (matter ?) ? Well it's not, so I don't have to fall into this logical hole. Q. what is matter ? Hierarchically organised persistent but intrinsically dynamic (continually refreshed) structures of MON_STUFF Q. what is brain? I think we already did this. Q why cortical brain matter generates qualia ? There is one single simple fundamental principle at the heart of it: "At all scales and all locations, when you 'be' any MON_STUFF the 'view of the rest of the universe' is delivered innately as 'NOT_ME'". Call it the COLIN principle of universal subjectivity" I don;t care...like the fluctuation This is a simple as it gets. Q why it must be so ? With the fundamental principle that perspective view at all scales literally is the source of qualia, the whole reasoning changes from one of WHY to one of WHERE/WHEN....which is what you ask. It is question of visability. It is 'like' 'NOT_ELECTRON' to be a collection of MON_STUFF behaving electronly. That is not 'about' being an electron. It IS an electron. Not only that, there is a blizzard of the little blighters with no collective 'story' to tell. Their collective summated scene is ZERO. Q Is qualia a dependance of cortical brain matter or the inverse ? If I get you correctly it's 'INVERSE'. Q. is qualia responsible of what looks like cortical brain matter? It's not 'responsible' in that it doesn't 'cause brain matter'. Qualia present a visual scene - a representation. In the scene we see brain matter. Q or is it cortical brain matter that makes feel qualia which in turns ask question about cortical brain matter ? No. Cortical brain material is an appearance of MON_STUFF created by special MON_STUFF doing the 'appearance dance'. When it does that dance ... (the cortical grey matter membrane dance)... it creates an appearance of atoms, molcules, cells, tissue.... because these are persistent nested structures of MON_STUFF doing the atom dance, the molecule dance, the cell dance. etc..etc. As weird and hard to assimilate as it sounds....It all comes down to the two simplest possible basic premises: 1) A universe consisting of a massive number of one generic elemental process, the fluctuation. 2) A universe in which the perspective view from the point of view of 'being' ME, an elemental fluctuation, is 'NOT ME' (the rest of the universe). The ecitable cell dance is the only dance that has it's own story independent of the underlying MON_STUFF organisational layers. That is the only place where the net exertions of MON_STUFF have nothing to do with any other dance. That is the organisational level where the visibility finally manifests to non-zero...why neural soma are fat - it's all about signal to noise ratio. weirdness time over. Gotta go. Colin Hales --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
