On 7/9/07, Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 9, 1:39 am, "Mohsen Ravanbakhsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > > > While I was reading the previous discussion; "justifying theory of > > everything" , I thought of my recent problem with still imperfection of > our > > TOE. The problem is: > > Multiverse by itself is a choice, and every choice by it's nature has > some > > bias and information. > > I could just consider two mathematical universes without any bias; the > first > > is nothing or mathematical point. The second one is a whole, I mean a > full > > space in infinite dimensions(just extending the perfect circle of Plato > to > > remove it's bias in radius and dimension) > > Any other universe should contain a choice, including the collection of > all > > possible universes! Why? > > Consider ME! Why 'I' am in this special world and not the other one? You > > might claim that I'm in the other ones as well. But I would still > insist; > > 'Why 'I' am in this special universe and not the other?'. I hope you get > my > > point. > > Would you know the difference if you were in all other universes at > once? What about existing in every point of time that spans your > life, would you not still have the illusion of only existing in the > present?
No, I wouldn't but that doesn't solve this problem! You may say, OK you are existing in all other universes, and I still would answer the same way: as far as 'I' am here, there has been a bias; I mean why 'I' am not the other one in the other universe. You see my point? > I wanted to conclude from this, even if there is a multiverse there's an > > information content for whole universe, and that might need another > cause. > > > > >From my understanding of Theory of Nothing, the set of all > descriptions for every possible universe requires zero bits of > information to describe when taken as a whole. However with observers > there is discrimination within this set of descriptions, observers > determine which are perceived as real and due to this discrimination > individual universes requiring massive amounts of information to > describe emerge from a set that takes nothing to describe. The large > amount of information required to describe what we observe is due to > fact that what is observed in any particular observer moment is > finite, therefore requiring some information to define its bounds. I believe this trick wont work neither. Because here I, as Tegmark puts it, can have the same argument from the BIRD(3rd person) view. I as the BIRD know that every observer has a distinct self, because he/she can ask why he/she is some where and not some other where, while some other copies of him/her really are in those other wheres! So still there's a discrimination. I hope I have understood that part correctly; if not Russell can > correct me. I guess my argument shows as far as there's consciousness zero information for the whole universe is impossible. Some one HELP! Jason > > > > > -- Mohsen Ravanbakhsh --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
