I admit that consciousness is a bit special but what about time as (nothing but) a space dimension? Do you agree on this? (put aside whether time/space is only in the mind, as you think, or really exist)
On Jan 3, 10:39 am, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > I disagree, and your remark singles out the problem with the bird's > eye/frog view of Tegmark. Those two views remains "third person point > of views". Consciousness is intrinsically a first person view. You > cannot describe it in any third person point of view. This explains > why the Aristotelians want so much eliminate consciousness. > But you are right for memories and the the possible discourse *about* > consciousness, this can be compared to marks on some block-structure. > Consciousness itself will be more a "distributed" logical feature in > the whole of the block reality. Consciousness, even consciousness of > time and space, is not something you can effectively relate to time > and space. Assuming comp you can relate it to fixed point of self- > observation and other "logical" (but non geometrical) things. Then > discourses made by conscious entities have themselves invariant > pattern, like "we cannot define it", "we cannot explain it " that you > can (with luck) recognize in the (more geometrical) marks. > > Bruno Marchal > > On 03 Jan 2009, at 06:46, Thomas Laursen wrote: > > > > > If I understand the "standard" MWI right (with my layman brain) Abram > > Demski's view of time is very much in accordance with it, except that > > time should be looked at simply as a fourth space dimension. A bird's > > eye view on the whole universe (= all it's "actualized" worlds) would > > be like a static picture where, lets say, the beginning (big bang) is > > at the left side (or right if you're Chinese), the present in the > > middle, and the future at the right. Of course this (2-dimensional) > > picture is extremely simplified but the idea behind is true (if I > > understand Everett and others, mainly Deutsch and Tegmark in their > > popular papers, right). Memory is then nothing but "marks" in the > > brain, and consciousness just like other moving things in nature with > > a (relatively) stable structure (a body, river, plant, etc), only more > > complex. > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---