On Apr 16, 4:02 am, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > On 16 Apr 2010, at 05:01, rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: > > > What would make universes with honest initial conditions + causal laws > > more probable than deceptive ones? For every honest universe it would > > seem possible to have an infinite number of deceptive universes that > > are the equivalent of "The Matrix" - they give rise to conscious > > entities who have convincing but incorrect beliefs about how their > > universe really is. These entities' beliefs are based on perceptions > > that are only illusions, or simulations (naturally occurring or > > intelligently designed), or hallucinations, or dreams. > > > It seems to me that it would be a bit of a miracle if it turned out > > that we lived in a universe whose initial state and causal laws were > > such that they gave rise to conscious entities whose beliefs about > > their universe were true beliefs. > > That is the whole problem. The revenge of Descartes Malin génie. > > But the UDA shows that the honest universe, below our substitution > level is a sum on all the fiction, and that sums is unique, if > defined. The logic of self-reference shows at least that the measure 1 > is well defined and obeys no classical, quantum-like, logic.
I agree in theory, though I still hold to my "consciousness is fundamental and uncaused" mantra! Sometimes it seems as though I can interpret what you say as being compatible with that view, and sometimes not. Maybe we're looking at two sides of the same coin...but maybe we're not... > PS I do have some serious Mail problem yesterderday, so in absence of > answer, it means that I did not get your mail. Sorry. All is well! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
