On 16 Jul 2010, at 14:13, Mark Buda wrote:
I came across this link some time ago and found it interesting:
http://www.paul-almond.com/CivilizationLevelQuantumSuicide.htm
In fact, I believe it is what introduced me to the term "quantum
suicide". I had been googling something I had been thinking about in
the shower one day and to my surprise this guy had written a paper
about it. What an amazing coincidence. My life since then has been an
increasingly bizarre series of meaningful coincidences. Meaningful in
a personal way that I can't explain easily. Bruno understands and can
explain why I can't explain; it's to do with his G and G* logics.
This is on the fringe of authoritative argument.
But the upshot of it is this: I have found out what happens when you
commit quantum suicide. You discover that you believe a contradiction,
and that even though nothing about the world has changed, you
understand the universe.
That seems very weird.
But you have a hard time explaining it.
Because you discover that you are, in Bruno's terms, a Lobian machine
interviewing itself for the laws of physics.
But I am saying this to explain that we can use reason to understand
where the laws of physics come from. Not to mystified people with a
lack of explanation.
But you can't get the
laws of physics yourself, even though you have all the answers.
On the contrary: you can. Everyone can. You cannot besure because you
cannot know that you are correct, so the usual doubt of the cartesian
scientist remains. Computationalism explains in detail why any form of
certainty, when made public, is a symptom of non correctness.
Because you don't care any more - you have a different motivation. You
understand that since you have all the answers but none of the
questions,
I don't see any sense here.
you need to talk to people. You figure out the right people
to talk to because your intuition guides you, because that's what it's
for.
There are people all around the world killing themselves and each
other for crazy reasons. Suicide bombers, for instance. People who
read stuff about the 2012 Mayan calendar thing and kill themselves
because they think the end of the world is coming.
2012 is the year of the election in France. The Maya consider their
own prediction as a prediction that some reasonable man will arrive.
They never talk of apocalypse. "2012" is like prohibition: making
money by selling fears.
They're right and wrong, and I understand why, but I can't explain it,
and Bruno understands why.
I guess I have been unclear at some point. I am just a poor scientist
trying to be honest with myself and the others.
But all that stuff happening around the
world is happening for a reason, and it doesn't matter what you - you
can't stop it. Neither can I. But you can listen to this and think
about it, and do whatever you feel like doing: you will anyway.
If any of you can help me contact Richard Dawkins and talk to him, I
can explain all of this.
Why do you want to convince Richard Dawkins? You give him credit.
Actually you do his very own error, because when Dawkins try to
convince the Christians that they are wrong on God, he gives them
credit on their notion of God. No one care about fairy tales, once we
tackle the fundamental question with the scientific (= modest,
hypotheses-based) approach.
I can explain all of it to anybody if they're
willing to talk to me. But I have to talk face to face, because it's
too hard for me, psychologically, to figure out how to put it in
writing or over the phone, because a lot of human communication is
non-
verbal, and there's an evolutionary reason for that which is part of
the whole thing.
Restrain yourself to communicate what is communicable. And just hope
that the people will figure out by themselves what is not communicable
yet true (like consciousness to take the simplest candidate).
Perhaps I sound mad, but I have a testable prediction: if I don't
contact Richard Dawkins, sooner or later somebody, somewhere is going
to be researching the 2012 Mayan calendar thing and be led, by an
amazing chain of coincidences, to me.
I don't believe in coincidence. Or better I believe coincidences are
just that: coincidences. The brain has an habit to over-interpret
coincidences, and if you search them, you will find more and more, and
you will take the risk of believing anything, that is to become
inconsistent. The prohibition of drugs is based on similar form of
unsound "reasoning".
And I can explain how that
works.
Bruno, when you read this, you are literally an angel of God. Figure
out who you need to talk to next. I certainly don't know. Maybe it's
me. Whatever works for you.
I talk to universal machines, because I know everyone is at least such
a machine, and this is used for showing that what I say can be
understood by any one having enough patience and good-willingness.
I am not for introducing the non seriousness of some approach from
some theology in science, I am for using the scientific method
(modesty) in the theology. You may have misunderstood the approach,
I'm afraid.
If you see a coincidence, you better forget it, I think. If not you
take the risk of becoming frustrated (and inconsistent).
I worked hard to derive all what I say from "reasonable
definitions" (always debatable) and elementary arithmetic, and the a
priori austere digital mechanist hypothesis.
True: the difference between G* and G can be used to say that the
(correct) machines can access to some correct "mystical truth" (true
but unprovable), but it points also on the fact that such machines, in
that case, remains 100% mute about them. Communicating them publicly
or assertively leads to the contrary effect(s). It is the trap in
which all public authoritative theologies fall. It is a trap which
occurs repeatedly on all spiritual paths. Even this, I should not
communicate without insisting that I derive this from the mechanist
*hypothesis*, in the discourse of ideally arithmetically correct
machine.
Take care,
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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