On Feb 17, 10:38 pm, benjayk <benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Brent Meeker-2 wrote: > > > On 2/17/2011 12:27 PM, benjayk wrote: > > >> Brent Meeker-2 wrote: > > >>> On 2/17/2011 10:14 AM, benjayk wrote: > > >>>> 1Z wrote: > > >>>>> On Feb 17, 3:10 pm, benjayk<benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>> 1Z wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> Comp will imply that such a primary matter cannnot interfer at > >>>>>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>>>> with your consciousness, so that IF comp is correct physics has > >>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>> be > > >>>>>>>>>> reduced to number theory, and such a primary matter is an > >>>>>>>>>> invisible > >>>>>>>>>> epiphenomena. > > >>>>>>>>> Physics cannot be eliminated in favour of non existent numbers. > >>>>>>>>> Numbers > >>>>>>>>> have to exist for the conclusion to follow > > >>>>>>>> Physics is not eliminated, on the contrary, physics is explained > >>>>>>>> from > > >>>>>>>> something non physical. > > >>>>>>> The anti realist position is not that numbers are some existing non- > >>>>>>> physical > >>>>>>> thing: it is that they are not existent at all. > > >>>>>> If numbers don't exist at all, what does a statement that seems very > >>>>>> much > >>>>>> like a non-fictional and true statement, like "I have two hands" > >>>>>> mean? > > >>>>> It's asserting the existence of hands, not numbers. > > >>>> You can't have one without the other. > > > Sure you can. You can have an apple and an orange. Whether they > > constitute two of something depends on you thinking of them as fruits. > > I don't think you can conceive of "an apple and and orange" without them > constituting two things.
That doesn't mean "two" is a third thing with a separate exisence. >The "and" already implies there are two things > (usually). > > But even if we grant that an apple and an orange are not necessarily two > things THat is not what is at dispute. Two fruit are two fruit, not two fruit and one number. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
