On 1/14/2012 12:08 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 14.01.2012 03:06 meekerdb said the following:
On 1/13/2012 2:50 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 13.01.2012 22:36 meekerdb said the following:
On 1/13/2012 12:54 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
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By the way in the Gray's book the term intelligence is not even
in the index. This was the biggest surprise for me because I
always thought that consciousness and intelligence are related.
Yet, after reading the book, I agree now with the author that
conscious experience is a separate phenomenon.
So does Gray think that beings can be conscious without being
intelligent or intelligent without being conscious?
The first part is definite yes, for example "But we can, I believe, safely assume that
mammals possess conscious experience."
But mammals are quite intelligent? More intelligent than self-driving cars for example.
So then I'm left to wonder what Gray means by "intelligent"; except you say he doesn't
even use the term.
There is no clear answer for the second part in the book. Well, for example
"Language, for example, cannot be necessary for conscious experience.
It's not necessary for awareness and perception, but I think it is necessary for some
kinds of ratiocination.
The reverse, however, may be true: it may be that language (and other functions) could
not be evolved in the absence of conscious experience".
It depends however on the definition, I would say that a self-driving car is intelligent
and a rock not, but even in this case it is not completely clear to me how to define it
unambiguously.
Gray's personal position is that consciousness survival values is "late error detection"
that happens through some multipurpose and multi-functional display. This fits actually
quite good in cybernetics but leaves a question open about the nature of such a display.
But it leaves our imaginative planning.
Brent
Evgenii
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