On 12 Feb 2012, at 15:22, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 11, 8:04 pm, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
2012/2/11 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>
All computers are as dumb as anything could be. Any computer will
run
the same loop over and over forever if you program them to do that.
It's not because you can program's them to being slavingly dumb to
do a
thing *that's the only thing they can do*, that's a "program" mean.
That's what being dumb is - not being able to figure out how to do
anything else than what you already do.
But is that not what you do, and vindicate, by telling us that you
don't want to study the work of other people, or that you cannot
assume comp if only just for the sake of reasoning?
A lot of your comment are preventing the meaning of trying to discuss
further because you beg the question systematically. In a sense you
are saying that comp cannot be true, because your know that your
opinion is the correct one. We can't argue then.
Intelligence is the ability to
make sense of any given context and to potentially transcend it,
I can agree, although then even human might have a limited
intelligence, as humans cannot a priori transcend all context, or you
are making a gros assumption on humans. Again a new assumption in an
already very long and fuzzy list.
which
is why it can't be programmed or simulated (but it can be imitated
trivially for specific functions).
And now a big assumption on machine, which is already refuted by the
diagonalization routine.
If it weren't that way we would not
be having this discussion. Machines would exhibit creativity and
versatility and would be widely considered identical to animal and
human life.
You confuse the conceptually possibility that some machine can think,
the possibility that actual machine can thing. You might have said
that the DNA will never reach the moon by looking at bacteria or
insects. That is not reasoning.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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