On Mar 14, 6:08 pm, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 14, 12:32 pm, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/14/2012 7:21 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Mar 13, 11:15 pm, meekerdb<meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > >> On 3/13/2012 3:00 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > >>>http://pss.sagepub.com/content/22/5/613.abstract > > >>> Abstract > > >>> The feeling of being in control of one s own actions is a > > >>> strong subjective experience. However, discoveries in psychology and > > >>> neuroscience challenge the validity of this experience and suggest > > >>> that free will is just an illusion. This raises a question: What would > > >>> happen if people started to disbelieve in free will? Previous research > > >>> has shown that low control beliefs affect performance and motivation. > > >>> Recently, it has been shown that undermining free-will beliefs > > >>> influences social behavior. In the study reported here, we > > >>> investigated whether undermining beliefs in free will affects brain > > >>> correlates of voluntary motor preparation. Our results showed that the > > >>> readiness potential was reduced in individuals induced to disbelieve > > >>> in free will. This effect was evident more than 1 s before > > >>> participants consciously decided to move, a finding that suggests that > > >>> the manipulation influenced intentional actions at preconscious > > >>> stages. Our findings indicate that abstract belief systems might have > > >>> a much more fundamental effect than previously thought. > > >>> Has anyone posted this yet? Hard to explain what brain correlates are > > >>> doing responding to an illusion... > > >> I think they just rediscovered hypnotism. > > > >> Brent > > >> "Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills." > > >> --- Schopenhauer > > > If someone is hypnotized to think that they are eating an apple when > > > they are really eating a raw onion, they have to be able to imagine > > > what it is like to eat an apple. > > > > If someone is hypnotized to think that they have no free will, but > > > free will doesn't exist to begin with, why would there be any > > > difference to the brain? > > > I someone says to you, "You are paralyzed. You can't lift your arm." and > > you hear these > > words and interpret them how would that happen without any changes in your > > brain? > > Voluntary movement has to first exist in order for a suggestion of > paralysis to be meaningful.
"Voluntary" might mean "controlled deterministically by higher brain centres". >If all movement was involuntary in the > first place then there would be no significant difference between > passively watching yourself move and passively watching yourself not > move > > If we had no free will, our belief about it should have no effect on > the actual ability to execute our wishes though our motor cortex. Non sequitur. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
