On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: > You try moving your arm with an explanation or a reason or with no > reason. Did it move?
That's like asking how long is a piece of string. It depends on if I wanted to move my arm or not. > Now just move your arm. This time I wanted to move my arm and so, unless it was tied down it moved. If it was tied down then a desire of my will remained unfulfilled and I will be unhappy and that will cause me to look for a way to untie my arm. And my will was in the state it was in, the state of wanting to move my arm, for a reason or for no reason, there is no third alternative. > Was it a lack of explanation or reason or randomness that was preventing > you from FREEly excercising your WILL over your own arm? > I didn't move my arm because I didn't want to move my arm, and I don't know if I didn't want to because of determinism or randomness, but I do know it was one or the other, I do know there was a reason I didn't want to move it (although I might not know what it is) or there was no reason I didn't want to move it . > Please explain how your arm moved in a way that shows it is purely > deterministic or purely random You seem to believe that if you combine determinism and randomness you can make the "free will" noise more meaningful than a duck's "quack", but you refuse to answer a question I have asked several times before; if I combine a calculator with a roulette wheel so that on average one time in 39 it gives the wrong answer to a calculation does that hybrid device have free will? If not why not. > find a way to say that a reason or non- reason alone caused it Well that's not very difficult and I don't even need to know what the word "reason" means! I can also say without fear of contradiction that klogknee caused it or non klognee caused it. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
