On 01 Aug 2012, at 18:23, Brian Tenneson wrote:

We may be overthinking things here. What's wrong with defining it as the capacity to make choices when more than one option is available?

... from the point of view of the knowing subject. I am OK with that definition. You have to add "from the point of view of the subject" to prevent the idea that a God, or the Physical Theory makes it like at some (low) level, only one option exists. Yet, it is not because some God or some Supermachine, or just your friends, can predict if you will drink tea or coffee that you will not exercise free will by choosing the option which satisfies you the most. Two options can be enough. Free will is the ability to choose between drinking tea or not drinking tea.

Bruno





On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:17 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 8/1/2012 5:04 AM, Russell Standish wrote:
Yes - and rationality often does not help much. In such situations, it
is often better to make a fast decision than a good one. Only
irrational agents can make fast decisions.

Almost all real decisions (even in chess) are time constrained. How can it be rational to wait too long for your decision to matter and irrational to make a quick decision on incomplete information, on incomplete analysis?



> From the responses I've received on this list, I don't think people
are using the term rational in the same way it is used in
economics. Flipping a coin is never rational, although it may well be
the best thing to do.
Random moves are optimum in many games and provably so. What meaning of 'rational' are you using?


Brent



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