I really agree with Bruno. In fact my string cosmology is a product of smoking, making "me a crackpot" have a double meaning. But minus the crack which I have never been interested in. Pot is sufficient but unavailable. Richard
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hmm like the old geezer with a Porsche, who can't sit in it, because of a > bad back, to compensate for the lifelong frustration of withholding that > pleasure? Enjoy stuff while we can, minimizing harm potential, no matter > how old imho. > > I find the study designed to create news hysteria. The authors stay > careful not to make their claims overly seem "reefer madness"; but they > know the media will do that amplification for them, even given only the > small differences in results. > > I felt throughout, that this is science in "lawyer mode". There's a sense > that they know where they want to go. Any statistician or lawyer will not > ask : "What do you honestly think is true?" but instead "Ok, so what do we > have, and where/how do we want to take this data and present?" > > I'm still old fashioned, in that I find questionnaires and cognitive tests > on long term effects of drugs to be a bit ridiculous. Not one bit of > empirical evidence other than belief in people's statements and statistical > error correction (which you can lawyer-bend anyway). Evidence = what some > people said, no blood measurements to see if statements align with reality, > no external observation of frequency, dosages involved, kinds of cannabis > consumed, in what way, just what people say... Like if I walked into a > physics lab and said that I had evidence, because a friend, who I can't > disclose, told me that the standard model doesn't hold up. And I can't > explain why either, I have no basis or set of data for comparison, but my > result is scientific and valid. > > With such low standards, one should get into drug research. Friends tell > me things too, and they are more reliable than strangers in a study. > > And the media amplifies this as discovery with its adhd for advertising. > > But its more nuanced than most attempts to bullshit people about such > complex things. So, it makes a good read for BS detector. > > m > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I am of the opinion that recreational drugs should be the preserve of the >> retired folk. >> In fact in the USA with so many companies and the govt/military doing >> random testing >> you may as well wait until retirement. >> Richard >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >> >>> Even Binet, who invented the IQ-tests, insisted that it can be used only >>> to separate debility and sanity, not to measure small differences. The >>> paper is mute on the most difficult part to assess, like such a difference. >>> I am not sure such comparision must be itself compared with other "drug", >>> like making similar tests, assuminf they makes sense, which I doubt. How >>> evolve the IQ of people looking everyday at TV, and "sober" people, or >>> alcoholic? >>> To be sure I have not yet found the most typical error in statistics in >>> that field, so that paper might be less wrong than usual, but still not >>> very convincing, especially in the conclusion. The policy does not make >>> sense, especially that we are systematically dis-informed about the real >>> outcomes of basically all medication/drugs, and this will last as long as >>> people will accept the nonsensical prohibition (of food and drug) laws, >>> something known to be anticonstitutional in the US since the start. So my >>> first feeling on that paper: crap. >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> On 28 Aug 2012, at 15:09, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >>> >>> Finally we have the whole story and truth: >>> >>> Direct link to PDF in question: >>> >>> >>> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDMQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Finfam.antville.org%2Ffiles%2Fpnas%2F&ei=A7o8UNPENsil0AWCh4CAAg&usg=AFQjCNEnTJj8p7H1m6w40c3PXKIOgjQgQA >>> >>> Link to abstract: >>> >>> http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/08/22/1206820109.abstract >>> >>> Thank God Lewis Carroll, Victor Hugo and Alexander Dumas; such jazz >>> greats as Louis Armstrong, Cab Calloway, Duke Ellington and Gene Krupa; and >>> the pattern continues right up to modern-day artists and musicians such as >>> the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Eagles, the Doobie Brothers, Bob >>> Marley, Jefferson Airplane, Willie Nelson, Buddy RIch, Country Joe & the >>> Fish, Joe Walsh, David Carradine, David Bowie, Iggy Pop, Lola Falana, >>> Hunter S. Thompson, Peter Tosh, the Grateful Dead, Cypress Hill, Sinead >>> O'Connor, Black Crowes, etc. >>> >>> Of course, smoking marijuana only enhances creativity for some and not >>> for others. But so glad to have proof, that they all had to pay for their >>> sins in terms of neuropsychological decline. >>> >>> It makes you dumb. Science has spoken. Dumb, lazy pot smokers >>> under-performing in IQ-Tests. 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