On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 6:45:06 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > I obviously misunderstood your point. > I still don't. > >
If there's something in particular I can clarify, let me know and I'll try my best. Craig > > Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net <javascript:> > 9/5/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him > so that everything could function." > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Craig Weinberg <javascript:> > *Receiver:* everything-list <javascript:> > *Time:* 2012-09-04, 14:58:37 > *Subject:* Re: Re: monads as numbers > > Hi Roger, > > Not sure what you are getting at. We can't see any usefulness for eating > chocolate until the bar is gone, but we still do it. > > On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 7:56:45 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: >> >> Hi Craig Weinberg >> >> I can't see any usefulness for a computer or calculator >> where the same number is recalculated over and over. >> Think of a Turing tape running through a processor. >> >> >> >> Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net >> 9/4/2012 >> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him >> so that everything could function." >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> *From:* Craig Weinberg >> *Receiver:* everything-list >> *Time:* 2012-09-03, 11:12:36 >> *Subject:* Re: monads as numbers >> >> Hi Roger, >> >> I think of number as the conceptual continuity between the behaviors of >> physical things - whether it is the interior view of things as experiences >> through time or the exterior view of experiences as things. Numbers don't >> fly by in a computation, that's a cartoon. All that happens is that >> something which is much smaller and faster than we are, like a >> semiconductor or neuron, is doing some repetitive, sensorimotive behavior >> which tickles our own sense and motive in a way that we can understand and >> control. Computation doesn't exist independently as an operation in space, >> it is a common sense of matter, just as we are - but one does not reduce to >> the other. Feeling, emotion, and thought does not have to be made of >> computations, they can be other forms of sensible expression. Counting is >> one of the things that we, and most everything can do in one way or >> another, but nothing can turn numbers into anything other than more numbers >> except non-numerical sense. >> >> Craig >> >> >> On Monday, September 3, 2012 9:53:21 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: >>> >>> Hi Craig Weinberg >>> >>> Sorry. I guess I should call them monadic numbers. Not numbers as monads, >>> but monads as numbers. >>> >>> The numbers I am thinking of as monads are those flying by in a >>> particular >>> computation. Monads are under constant change. As to history, >>> perceptions, >>> appetites, those would be some king of context as in a subprogram >>> which coud be stored in files. >>> >>> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >>> 9/3/2012 >>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him >>> so that everything could function." >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> *From:* Craig Weinberg >>> *Receiver:* everything-list >>> *Time:* 2012-09-02, 08:28:10 >>> *Subject:* Re: Toward emulating life with a monadic computer >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, September 2, 2012 2:20:49 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> *Toward emulating life with a monadic computer* >>>> ** >>>> In a previous discussion we showed that the natural numbers qualify as >>>> Leibnizian monads, suggesting the possibility that other mathematical >>>> forms might similarly be treated as monadic structures. >>>> >>>> At the same time, Leibniz's monadology describes a computational >>>> architecture that is capable of emulating not only the dynamic >>>> physical >>>> universe, but a biological universe as well. >>>> >>>> In either case, the entire universe might be envisioned as a gigantic >>>> digital golem, a living figure whose body consists of a categorical >>>> nonliving substructure and whose mind/brain is the what Leibniz called >>>> the "supreme >>>> monad". The supreme monad might be thought of as a monarch, >>>> since it governs the operation of its passive monadic substructures >>>> according to a "preestablished harmony." In addition, each monad in the >>>> system >>>> would possess typical monadic substructures, and possibly further >>>> monadic >>>> substructures wuithin this, depending spending on the level of >>>> complexity >>>> desired. >>>> >>>> Without going into much detail at this point, Leibniz's monadology >>>> might be considered >>>> as the operating system of such a computer, with the central processing >>>> chip >>>> as its supreme monad. This CPU continually updates all of the monads >>>> in the system according the following scheme. Only the CPU is active, >>>> while all of the sub-structure monads (I think in a logical, tree-like >>>> structure) are passive. >>>> Each monad contains a dynamically changing image (a "reflection") of >>>> all of the >>>> other monads, taken from its particular point of view. These are >>>> called its perceptions, >>>> which might be thought of as records of the state of any given monad at >>>> any >>>> given time. This state comprising an image of the entire universe of >>>> monads, >>>> constantly being updated by the Supreme monad or CPU. In addition to >>>> the perceptions, each monad also has a constantly changing set of >>>> appetites. >>>> And all of these are coorddinated to fit a pre-established harmony. >>>> >>>> It might be that the pre-established harmony is simply what is happening >>>> in the world outside the computer. >>>> >>>> Other details of this computer should be forthcoming. >>>> >>> >>> First I would say that numbers are not monads because numbers have no >>> experience. They have no interior or exterior realism, but rather are the >>> interstitial shadows of interior-exterior events. Numbers are a form of >>> common sense, but they are not universal sense and they are limited to a >>> narrow channel of sense which is dependent upon solid physicality to >>> propagate. You can't count with fog. >>> >>> Secondly I think that the monadology makes more sense as the world >>> outside the computer. Time and space are computational constructs generated >>> by the meta-juxtaposition of sense*(matter+entropy) and >>> (matter/matter)-sense. Matter is the experience of objecthood. Numbers are >>> the subjective-ized essence of objects >>> >>> Craig. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net >>>> 9/2/2012 >>>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him >>>> so that everything could function." >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/s2J5aGxCEigJ. >>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/wG3SzF54AHgJ. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/y-jzVSfeHfkJ. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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