On 07 Sep 2012, at 13:08, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Eventually you will have to answer the question of what is
teleportable.
I have no doubt that someday matter can be transported, even
information.
Even energy.
But the more important question to me is whether or not experiences
(the stuff of life or consciousness) can be transported.
It cannot as it is in Platonia. But Stathis just give a good answer,
as it applies to the local relative manifestation of consciousness.
When I study for an exam, I will relatively "transported" my local
knowledge through the bus I will take.
Comp makes matter itself not teletransportable, and QM confirms this:
you cannot teleport matter in the quantum way, you still have to
transport classically an irreductible set of classical bits.
Bruno
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/7/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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Subject: Re: Sane2004 Step One
On 05 Sep 2012, at 08:38, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 9/5/2012 2:03 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/4/2012 10:07 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 9/5/2012 12:38 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/4/2012 8:59 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Notice that both the duplication and the teleportation, as
discussed, assume that the information content is exactly
copyable.
Not exactly. Only sufficiently accurately to maintain your
consciousness.
If the copy is not exact then functional equivalence is not
exact either and this is fatal for the model.
Then you should mourn the Stephen P. King of and hour ago. He's
been fatally changed.
Never, I am not the impermanent image on the world stage. I am
the fire that casts the images.
This is not qubits that are involved... The point here is that
this comp model assume that Reality is, at is ground level,
classical.
It doesn't assume that. A fully quantum computation can be
performed on a classical, i.e. Turing, computer.
Bruno would just say it just takes a lower level of substitution.
Yes, a classical computer can emulate a finite quantum
computation given sufficient resources. This is not the same
thing as the EPR effect that I am considering. The idea that I am
considering is more like this:
Consider the visible physical universe. We know from observation
that not only is it open on one end and that it's expansion is
accelerating. People want to put this off on some "Dark Energy".
I think that it is something else, driving it. Consider a
classical computer that needs to emulate a quantum computation.
It has to have even increasing resources to keep up with the QC
if the QC is modeling an expanding universe. It we take Bruno's
AR literally, where are these resources coming from?
They are computations. They exist in Platonia. He's trying to
explain matter, so he can't very well assume material resources.
The world is made out of arithmetic, an infinite resource.
Sure, but the explanation of the idea requires matter to be
communicated. A slight oversight perhaps.
But there is matter, in the comp theory. That is all what UDA
explains, and what the Z and X logics axiomatizes.
Let's turn the tables and make Reality Quantum in its
essence. The classical computation may just be something that the
QC is running.
There's not difference as computations.
You are correct but only in the absence of considerations of
inputs and outputs and their concurrency. Abstract theory leaves
out the obvious, but when it pretends to toss out the obvious, that
is going to far.
Matter is not obvious.
What is most interesting is that the QC can run an arbitrary
number of classical computations, all at the same time. The CC
can only barely compute the emulation of a single QC.
You are talking about QC and CC as though they were material
computers with finite resources. Once you've assumed material
resources you've lost any non-circular possibility of explaining
them.
No, I am pointing out that real computations require real
resources. Only when we ignore this fact we can get away with
floating castles in midair.
Brent just point out that arithmetic contains infinite resource.
What do you mean by "real computations"? Do you mean "physical
computations"? Why would they lack resources?
Bruno
What if we have an infinite and eternal QC running infinitely
many finite CCs and each of these CC's is trying to emulate a
single QC. Map this idea out and look at the nice self-
referential loop that this defines!
You're confused.
Maybe. I can handle being wrong. I learn from mistakes.
Brent
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Stephen
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