On 07 Sep 2012, at 14:22, benjayk wrote:



Bruno Marchal wrote:


On 06 Sep 2012, at 13:31, benjayk wrote:

Quantum effects beyond individual brains (suggested by psi) can't be
computed as well: No matter what I compute in my brain, this doesn't
entangle it with other brains since computation is classical.

The UD emulates all quantum computer, as they do not violate Church
Thesis.
I am not talking about quantum computers, which are not entangled with their
surroundings.
I am talking about systems that are entangled to other systems.

This is just lowering the comp level of substitution. It does not change the reasoning, thanks to the use of the notion of "generalized brain".


The computational model just doesn't describe that, because it in it there is no way for one computation to affect another computation (or something
else) without using input/output.

Yet in QM this is possible through entanglement.

I don't assume QM. And comp confirms the existence of entanglement, even if quantitively many open problems subsist. My goal was to make this precise, or more precise.




No matter how good your simulation is, it is never going to change its
surroundings without using I/O.

QM does not allows this, unless you bring by the collapse of the wave. With comp and QM-without-collapse (MW), entanglement are partitioning of the multi-dreams.

Bruno



benjayk

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