Hi Evgenii, In the mirror example, the res extensa would be that part of the phenomenon that is in spacetime (the brain, the physical part, which is extended) and the res cogitans wojld be that part that is nonphysical, being outside of spacetime (the mind, being inextended).
My own suggestion is that the nonphysical part is simply universal intelligence, Platonia, the All, the Supremem monad. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/10/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-09, 13:53:09 Subject: Re: The All On Saturday, September 8, 2012 9:12:38 AM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 14:37 Stephen P. King said the following: > On 9/8/2012 6:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >> On 08.09.2012 12:37 Stephen P. King said the following: >>> On 9/8/2012 3:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >> >>>> Say I see my image behind the mirror (I have written behind >>>> instead of in the mirror just to better describe my >>>> experience). How could you describe this phenomenon by means of >>>> res cogitans and res extensa? >>>> >>>> Evgenii -- http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2012/05/brain-and-world.html >>>> >>> Hi Evgenii, >>> >>> I would not, and neither Pratt, use the notion of substance as >>> did Descartes. Pratt explains himself well: >>> http://boole.stanford.edu/pub/ratmech.pdf >>> >> >> ... >> >>> >>> The duality between mind in body is defined in terms of the >>> relation that is known in mathematics to exist between Boolean >>> algebras and certain topological spaces. Pratt presents a >>> step-wise variational calculus to model both body -body and >>> mind-mind interactions. >>> >> >> How would Pratt describe the phenomenon of the image behind the >> mirror in his representation? >> >> Evgenii >> > Hi Evgenii, > > The image in the mirror is a simple transformation of coordinates, > but Pratt is not considering that aspect. > I would say that the image in the mirror is a visual illusion created presumably by the brain. Don't you agree? Then it is exactly a relationship between mental and physical states but not in the form of ideas but rather images. Evgenii I think that the image is in the mirror to the same extent that it is in our retina and our mind. They are all indications of the specular extension of sense through matter. It happens to be in an optical to visual sense but the same principle occurs going from tactile to acoustic to aural. You can see and feel the woofer of a speaker vibrating and you can feel that in your ear as well as hear sound through your ears and through the speaker. This is what the universe is made of. Not primitive matter or information bur experiential propagation. It is and it isn't a Platonic ideal manifesting in different forms. It is and it isn't different causes and effects of physical substance. What it ultimately has to be though, is an experience of both the ideal and material relating to each other or the ideal and material diverging from the neutral monism of sense. In the material sense, photons from the silvered glass reflect into our eye (really a stretch when applied to images...Classical optics at least is technically useful, but both photons and 'rays' I think are figurative abstractions rather than concretely physical independent structures) In the ideal sense, computational coordinates are transposed and decoded by the computational processes of the brain. (doesn't explain the mechanism of, or possibility for any visual experience, as verified by blindsight), In the multisense sense, both of the former are true and untrue in their own way, but only to serve the purpose of their native human level of significance - the anthropological layer in which our primary experiences take place, with human bodies and natural environments; where we see through our own eyes the world that we relate to directly and the reflections of images in surfaces are part of that gestalt embodiment. What we see is human visual experience, and we can use reflective materials as opportunities to extend that sensitivity prosthetically. Craig Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/ic3Z1_VtIW8J. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
