Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy I agree.
I was wrong about autopoesis. It is a mind-boggling definition of life, maybe not even that. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-14, 09:26:19 Subject: Re: autopoesis Hi Roger, On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Autopoesis is a useful definition for life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis Autopoiesis (from Greek a?to- (auto-), meaning "self", and p???s?? (poiesis), meaning "creation, production") literally means "self-creation" and expresses a fundamental dialectic among structure, mechanism and function. The term was introduced in 1972 by Chilean biologists Humberto Maturana and Francisco Varela: An autopoietic machine is a machine organized (defined as a unity) as a network of processes of production (transformation and destruction) of components which: (i) through their interactions and transformations continuously regenerate and realize the network of processes (relations) that produced them; and (ii) constitute it (the machine) as a concrete unity in space in which they (the components) exist by specifying the topological domain of its realization as such a network.[1] [...] the space defined by an autopoietic system is self-contained and cannot be described by using dimensions that define another space. When we refer to our interactions with a concrete autopoietic system, however, we project this system on the space of our manipulations and make a description of this projection.[2] This seems to me more a description for machines/hallucinations that lack flexibility; such as how media, politics, and market are framed in public discourse. Like Luhmann said "they tend to be operationally closed". The statement? above "continuously regenerate and realize the network of processes (relations) that produced them" stands counter to "transformations" which would indeed change "(ii) constitute it (the machine) as a concrete unity in space in which they (the components) exist by specifying the topological domain of its realization as such a network.[1]", specifically the "concreteness" of the unity and the discreetness of its domain is undermined by "transformation". The original Greek definition, does ring a bell for creative processes and dreaming however, but in an "operationally less bounded" sense. m ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/14/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
