On 17 Oct 2012, at 19:19, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
IMHO all life must have some degree of consciousness
or it cannot perceive its environment.
Are you sure?
Would you say that the plants are conscious? I do think so, but I am
not sure they have self-consciousness.
Self-consciousness accelerates the information treatment, and might
come from the need of this for the self-movie living creature having
some important mass.
"all life" is a very fuzzy notion.
Bruno
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/17/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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Subject: Re: Continuous Game of Life
On 16 Oct 2012, at 18:37, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:40 PM, meekerdb wrote:
If consciousness doesn't do anything then Evolution can't see it,
so how and why did Evolution produce it? The fact that you have no
answer to this means your ideas are fatally flawed.
I don't see this as a *fatal* flaw. Evolution, as you've noted, is
not a paradigm of efficient design. Consciousness might just be a
side-effect
But that's exactly what I've been saying for months, unless Darwin
was dead wrong consciousness must be a side effect of intelligence,
so a intelligent computer must be a conscious computer. And I don't
think Darwin was dead wrong.
Darwin does not need to be wrong. Consciousness role can be deeper,
in the "evolution/selection" of the laws of physics from the
coherent dreams (computations from the 1p view) in arithmetic.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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