Hi Bruno Marchal
I think you're right. Anyway, I've since decided that the numbers
have to be simply a priori. Like the pre-established (a priori) Harmony.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/29/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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Time: 2012-10-29, 13:49:33
Subject: Re: A mirror of the universe.
On 29 Oct 2012, at 17:34, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Bruno Marchal
>
> OK, let's suppose that the numbers can be considered as ideas
> in the mind of the One or the Supreme monad, which
> is the monad for the universe. Then the universe
> would be the corporeal body. Or something like that.
Hmm... I don't think this can work. The supreme monads can only dream,
the physical universe is when many universal numbers shared their
dreams, in some manner. There is no ultimate corporeal body, at least
not in the 'usual' sense, as some collection of dreams might point on
something very similar.
It is complex to explain the picture from scratch. It is simpler to
get it by oneself by doing the reasoning. We will see. The supreme
monad, as you define it, is just the 'man', or the L?ian universal
machine (man is used in a very large but precise sense, it includes
plausibly the jumping spiders). You have 8 hypostases:
God
Man Divine-Man
Soul
Intelligible matter Divine intelligible Matter
Sensible Matter Divine Sensible Matter
You supreme monad might be played by the Man or the Divine-Man, or
Divine-Intellect (it is Plato's No?).
Read some of my papers perhaps, but you might need to study a bit of
logic and computer science for this.
Bruno
>
>
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
> 10/29/2012
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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> Subject: Re: A mirror of the universe.
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>
> On 28 Oct 2012, at 23:31, Roger Clough wrote:
>
>> Hi Bruno Marchal
>>
>> I still haven't sorted the issue of numbers out.
>> I suppose I ought to do some research in my Leibniz books.
>
> That's OK, but eventually you have to look inward, and see what you
> think. the solution is in your head, even if Leibniz can help you.
>
>
>
>>
>> Aside from that, monads have to be attached to corporeal bodies,
>
> Intensional numbers needs some universal numbers around to make sense.
> basically the extensional number is the corporeal bodies. They just
> take the usual shape, when the u number emerges from all computations,
> apparently.
>
>
>
>
>> and numbers aren't like that.
>
> They are. You can say that a game of life pattern does not look like a
> number too, but this is just an appearance.
>
>
>
>> I find the following unsatisfactory,
>> but since numbers are like ideas, they can be
>> in the minds of individual homunculi in individual monads,
>> but that doesn't sound satisfactoriy to me.
>> Not universakl enough.
>
> I don't get your point. I think you should study the theory of
> universal machine. I explain a bit of this on the FOAR list.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> My best guess for now is that the supreme monad (the One) undoubtedly
>> somehow possesses the numbers.
>
> The supreme monad might be played by the universal number, but is not
> the one (God, arithmetical truth).
> Universal numbers are more the Plotinus' man. They are sigma_1
> complete. God, is sigma_i complete for all i.
>
>
>>
>> Hurricane coming.
>
> Be careful,
>
> Bruno
>
>
>>
>>
>> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
>> 10/28/2012
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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>> Time: 2012-10-27, 09:31:59
>> Subject: Re: A mirror of the universe.
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>>
>> On 26 Oct 2012, at 14:44, Roger Clough wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> Dear Bruno and Alberto,
>>>
>>> I agree some what with both of you. As to the idea of a "genetic
>>> algorithm can isolate anticipative programs", I think that
>>> anticipation
>>> is the analogue of inertia for computations, as Mach saw inertia. It
>>> is
>>> a relation between any one and the class of computations that it
>>> belongs
>>> to such that any incomplete string has a completion in the
>>> collections
>>> of others like it. This is like an error correction or compression
>>> mechanism.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Onward!
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> ROGER: For what it's worth--- like Mach's inertia, each monad
>>> mirrors the rest of the universe.
>>
>> In arithmetic, each universal numbers mirrors all other universal
>> numbers. The tiny Turing universal part of arithmetical truth is
>> already a dynamical Indra Net.
>>
>> Your monad really looks like the (universal) intensional numbers.
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
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