2012/11/9 John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > >> Or? OR?!! Bruno Marchal just said the Helsinki man will survive in >>> two examples, in M AND in W"; and now Bruno Marchal is asking if the >>> Helsinki man will survive in M OR W. It makes no sense! >>> >> >> > > Confusion between 1-view and 3-view. >> > > You said the Helsinki man will survive in two examples, in M AND in W. and > then ask if the Helsinki man will survive in M OR W; so who's the one > that's really confused around here? > > >> > > The Moscow man can see a continuous trajectory from being the >>> Helsinki man to now being the Moscow man and the same is true of the >>> Washington man, so the Helsinki man has obviously been duplicate >> >> > But not his first person perspective. > > > PRONOUNS SUCK! Who the hell does "his" refer to? For that matter what > exactly is the Helsinki man? You said " the body read in Helsinki is > annihilated", I think the man still exists in Washington and Moscow and I > thought you did too but apparently not because of various peeing issues you > are unable to communicate coherently. You were not satisfied with the > testimony of either the Washington or Moscow man and don't want to hear > what they have to say, you want to know about "his first person > perspective". Nobody is experiencing Helsinki anymore so I repeat my > question, who is "his"? After this experiment is concluded who's testimony > would convince you that you have received correct infirmation about "his > first person perspective"? > > > > Define "bruno marchal", and "john Clark". > > > First define "define". > > > The 3-I is well known to be definable by the Dx = "xx" trick, >> > > I have to inform you that "the Dx = "xx" trick" is NOT well known to me > and I don't know what you're talking about. > > >> So what's the problem? >>> >> >> > To evaluate your chance, in helsinki, to later feel to be the W or the >> M man after the duplication is done >> > > PRONOUNS SUCK!! > > > You forget to mention that the question was: where will you feel. >> > > You forgot to mention where who will feel. >
Stop being stupid... just do the role play put "*yourself now* the fu..ing John Clark who is answering the email", play that game, imagine "*yourself now* the fu..ing John Clark who is answering the email" pushing on a button that will duplicate "*yourself now* the fu..ing John Clark who is answering the email" and an experimenter asking where "*yourself now* the fu..ing John Clark who is answering the email" will feel to be... obviously "*yourself now* the fu..ing John Clark who is answering the email" will not feel to be both W and M Alain Delon... but both W and M will remember to be "*yourself now* the fu..ing John Clark who is answering the email" ==> 1p indeterminacy. Quentin > > > You can do the thought experiment in a setting where in Helsinki you >> take some drug so that you become amnesic, and don't know more who you are. >> > > That's 4 yous in just 28 words, a new record. PRONOUNS SUCK!! > > > ? >> > > ! > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
