On 24 Nov 2012, at 11:26, Roger Clough wrote:
Bruno,
I think that one contention of comp is that imagination
plays no role in discovery.
Why? Keep in mind that comp is not string AI, comp is the hypothesis
that all humans are machine, so if a huan use imagination this means,
assuming comp, that some machine can use imagination. And indeed why
not?
But what is covered has to be
imagined at least in part to begin with. That argues against
comp fairly strongly.
I think you are confusing the use f computing metaphor (the brain is a
neural net), which can be partially true and partially false, and the
betting on a comp substitution level, that is comp, which to be wrong
needs some magic not yet discovered.
Comp might be wrong, and there might exist a primitive physical
universe, but we must recognize the absence of any evidence for that.
They are just no evidence at all, so comp is the simplest known
hypothesis explaining what we already know.
So the best hope to show comp wrong, is to refine its consequence and
to continue the testing. To bet at the start that comp is wrong is a
bit weird, as a non-comp theory needs to assume complex object capable
of diagonalizing against comp. This exist in math, but looks ad hoc
when used only to refute comp, because there are no use at all of
those non computably recoverable entities around us.
Then comp gives air and bread to Plato, Leibniz, Plotinus, the many
mystics all over the world, and it teaches us something great: the
possibility that the theology of Aristotle might be wrong, contrary to
the one of Plato and the neoplatonists.
I am not defending comp, but most argument against comp looks like
some complex of superiority.
I know it has been hard for some to accept the idea that apes are our
cousins, so I can understand the difficulty to admit the coming of a
machine at the table of the discussion, but the human history is full
of example of the difficulties of many human selves in front of ...
other selves.
We want to be the favorite creature of God, but I prefer letting God
decide this, and I think that in the 20th century the human lost many
points (shoa, rwanda, health scandal, NDAA, etc.).
Bruno
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
11/24/2012
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