On 10 Jan 2013, at 13:52, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.
OK.
They look for truth and untruth from the logic of analogies
instead of seeking the Living God of the Bible, who isn't an analogy.
Here I can't follow you, as I don't believe more in the Bible (and
which bible?) than in Alice in Wonderland (one of the deepest
spiritual text in my opinion)
My willingness to attribute a reference to God in the bible is
proportional to the idea that the bible is not a sacred text.
Even formal arithmetic has different non-isomorphic interpretations
(yet with a common standard part), so the bible is too much prose to
see it as a serious reference, with univocal interpretation. I honor
the bible as an historical important text(s) in the human development,
but I would not refer to it as "serious or factually convincing
theology".
Bruno
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
1/10/2013
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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Time: 2013-01-09, 10:20:25
Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God
On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:18, Roger Clough wrote:
According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from
the One
(ie God). That being the case, when I experience love, truth or
beauty, I
sense God's presence.
I can be OK with this, but this will not convince an atheist, who will
tell you that if "beauty" is god, then he believes in God, but that is
not the God he is talking about when declaring himself an atheist.
An atheist is just someone who does not believe in Santa Claus.
Really.
Some people suggests that comp is two times more atheistic than
atheism, because with comp, not only the literal Christian God does
not exist, but the myth or a primitive material universe has to be
abandoned too. I disagree because comp invite us firmly to come back
to the scientific notion of God (transcendental truth at the root of
everything, faith in reincarnation).
Science is always based on a religion. Scientist who pretend to have
no religion are person who take so much their religion for granted
that they cannot doubt it, and so becomes pseudo-priest of some sort.
It is often the case with the (weak) materialist (as almost all people
are still today).
Bruno
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
1/9/2013
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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