Hi Telmo Menezes I think we will run out of fresh water and food before we run out of fossil fuels. The ocean floors are covered with frozen methyl hydrates, for example.
And there is an unlimited amount of nuclear power. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-17, 07:02:01 Subject: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy I'm agnostic about the environmental apocalipse. Producing useful scientific theories about complex systems is already a daunting task. When the issue is so heavily politicised by both sides, it becomes almost impossible. Anyone that has ever done experimental research knows how easy it is to lie with statistics and graphs. One would have to study climate science for years just to get to the point of being able to have an informed opinion. The thing is so ideological now that you can't trust anyone to tell you the truth. Is big industry funding a misinformation campaign to protect their profits? Sounds plausible. Are?ureaucratic?nti-capitalist "scientists" distorting the facts to protect their careers? Sounds plausible. Things we know for sure: fossil fules are a finite resource. The current human population is only possible because of fossil fuel energy. If we don't find an alternative, we will eventually face a mass extinction event. I'm not sure such an alternative exists, but maybe I'll be proven wrong (at least for my 1p) by MWI and QS. On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Count me as an heretic denialist of the ecological Apocalipsis. The Michael Mann hockey stick is a fraud as you can verify in the mails leaked in the Climate Research Unit. You must read the mails to have an idea of the context in which the global warming?windle?as growth. 90% of the mails between climate scientists around the world were related with the need for?overnment?oney for department growth. And this includes people of many US and EU universitary institutions. ?his is Specially true for the experimental data, made most of them by russian scientist in a vanishing USSR that desperately needed money from the west. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/23/make-your-own-mannian-hockey-stick-at-home/ ?l Gore (peace upon it), ?he Michael Mann (the merciful and compassionate) prophet added still more fallacies. I know that i deserve the hot Hell for saying something about the sacred books of IPCC, a political body made of power-hungry bureaucrats of sicience, that consistently have denied or diminished any other sources of climate influence but anthropogenic CO2, but here I am. 2013/1/17 meekerdb On 1/16/2013 3:54 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/16/2013 1:52 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/16/2013 1:45 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: ? Now the same PR firms are hired by the oil and coal industry to obfuscate the problem of global warming. And meanwhile we disregard other options out of ideology, namely geo-engineering. They are disregarded not out of ideology; they are disregarded because the global warming denial industry has succeeded in obfuscating the science so that people think there is great uncertainty about the problem.? Of course they are not going to do anything about a problem they are not sure exists, and certainly not anything so drastic, and whose consequences are as difficult to predict, as geo-engineering. Brent There are a couple of very interesting proposals on that front that are dismissed without proper thought. Global warming can kill us all, but so can energy shortage. Hi Brent, ?? Why is it that almost all of the Green proposals are exactly what would be required to push civilization back to the Stone age, once implemented fully? And those would be what?? Solar power, geo-thermal power, tidal power, wind power, liquid thorium reactors - which exactly do you see as stone age technology? Frankly, I worry more about the impending Ice age which is about over due if the cycle that we see in the Vostok icecore data is real. Maybe you wouldn't be so worried if you noticed that CO2 peaked at 300ppm on all those warm cycles and it's now at 390ppm and climbing so fast it's just a vertical line on the above time scale (unlike the previous cycles).? Or maybe you're just part of the denialist industry. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. 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