Hi Stephen P. King 

Yes, morals are of anthropological or sociological origin
and so are created by usage, like the meanings of words.
They are also spread by usage (customs, laws, etc.)

You may stop there, but personally, being a Platonist and student of 
Leibniz, I go a little farther and believe that these are all contributed to 
a Central, Active, Universal Memory which is shared
by all as the memory of the One or what Jung called
the Cosmic Unconscious.  

I think that is Sheldrake's position. Since the One (or
at least the Supreme Monad) is the only acting agent 
in the universe, my cosmology turns out to be a
giant cosmic octopus, knowing all and doing all. 


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Hi Roger,

    We can add together our claims to get a better claim as I see a way to 
bring our ideas together. How about: morals are the rules of the individual 
generated by interactions with others. I still refuse to accept any coherence 
to the idea that there is a collective with a mind at the same level as the 
individual. Look at the often quoted example of a BEC. In such, the aggregate 
becomes one entity, a new individual and the previous individual (from the 
point of view of behaviors) vanishes.


On 1/31/2013 8:05 AM, Roger Clough wrote:

Hi Stephen P. King 

IMHO morals imply that you have somebody looking over your shoulder.
So they are collective.


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On 1/30/2013 12:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:



On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:09:49 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: 

What is the least powerful means of controlling gun violence ?
By legal means, as if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

 Just like if you outlaw biological weapons, then only outlaws will have 
biological weapons. That's pretty much the idea of making things illegal.



What is the most powerful means ?
By restablishing moral values in our homes, in our schools and in the media.

Moral values cannot be re-established by decree, only imitated voluntarily by 
example.


    Morals flow from the individual mind. The collective has no morals.




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