On 19 Mar 2013, at 22:25, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Since I´m more in the side of Aquinas/Aristotle -or even Plato
sometimes-
?
I see Plato and Aristotle as the most opposite view we can have on
reality.
(To be sure by Aristotle I means its usual interpretation by the
followers. Aristotle himself is still close to Plato, at least that
can be accepted, if only because his treatise on metaphysics is quite
unclear and hard to interpret).
I don not share the Occam views.Occam was a nominalist, that is
rejected the existence of universals, he did not like to think in
terms universals, because if universals exist, for example Truth,
Love and Peace then they impose some obligations to God: for
example, God must do Good, and must not do Evil by definition. Then,
why Evil exist?
Nominalist did not like to think about these entitities, and wanted
an omnipotent God. That was the original meaning of the Occam razor.
In the least Occam refer only to the idea that between a simple
(short) and a complex (long) theory, having the same explanative power
for the same range of phenomena, we will choose the shorter, and this
most often (but allowing exception). It is the idea that the
conceptually simple is better than the ad hoc complex construct. In
particular we don't introduce as axiom what is a theorem.
But the secularization of this principle produced the modern concept
of materialist science,
I am not sure. materialism violate Occam directly. It is bad
metaphysics at the start. No one has ever given a way to test the
existence of primary matter.
separated from philosophy, via an empiricism science and the
negation of the nous of the greek, the common sense and finally the
negation of the possibility of objective understanding of anything
but some phisical phenomena, and in general the negation of anything
that can be not tested by experiments
This is more like Aristotle + a bit of positivism. Positivism has been
refuted, mainly. But most scientist still believe that Aristotelianism
is "scientific". They confuse the physical reality with the primary
physical reality.
Bruno
2013/3/19 Evgenii Rudnyi <use...@rudnyi.ru>
On 19.03.2013 18:37 Alberto G. Corona said the following:
No.
...
Then, to escape the Feyerabend trap, there is necessary additional
criteria, such is the economy of axioms or the Occam Razor as
criteria for theory acceptance. Fortunately it works, because it
seems that we live in a simple, mathematical universe, which is
amazing per se.
I have listened recently to a lecture by Maarten Hoenen about the
philosophy of Occam. Hence the question. What does it mean when you
use Occam's name? Do you share any of his philosophical/theological
positions? Or in your paragraph his name is just an empty token?
Evgenii
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