On 3/22/2013 2:42 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
> Ok. I understand.
>
> Well this eartly salvation is not only typical of AI. Voegelin coined
> the term "inmanentization of the eschaton" as the common caracteristic
> of the modern political and scientific movements.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanentize_the_eschaton
>
> which means the belief of a heaven on earth accesible by means of some
> form of hidden knowledge, that make people transcend the reality
> towards another reality free of suffering and contradictions. That
> knowledge could be transfered generation by generation (masons,
> gnostics etc) or discovered/read in nature by choosen people. This
> knowledge can have a theological nature a philosophical nature
> (marxists, niettzcheans, progressivists) or a scientific nature
> (scientists).
>
> Voegelin say that what drives modernity in the Western world is -more
> or less- the desire of the Christian eschatology and the despair of
> it. the desire for salvation and the impatience with the Christian
> parousÃa (the end of the time). This impatience generates heresy
> after heresy each one more radical and promises a more close coming of
> heaven in Earth. According with voegelin, there is a continuum between
> the ancient gnostics and the modern uthopias, and share the same basic
> impulses.
>
> So this apocaliptic AI is one more scientist wave in this vast
> historical process. Almost every scientific discipline has promised
> a kind of salvation for himself.
A friend and I gave a talk on Tipler's Omega Point book once, it
involves a version of Eschaton... Platonia is the Ultimate Eschaton, IMHO...
>
>
>
> 2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi <use...@rudnyi.ru <mailto:use...@rudnyi.ru>>
>
> On 22.03.2013 15:31 Alberto G. Corona said the following:
>
> I a previous discussion in this list ("robotic truth") I
> argue that
> a robot in a competitive environment has to develop (or be
> programmed for) all the elements of religión and beliefs to
> cooperate and survive.
>
>
> The goal of the book of Robert Geraci is different. He is after
> all a professor of religious studies. His goal were rather to
> compare typical Christian ideas of Apocalypse with the ideas that
> one can find in the AI community. The book as such is academic in
> nature and as a result a bit boring. Yet, he is convincing and the
> book seems justifie what he writes in the introduction:
>
> p. 7 "Apocaliptic AI is a powerful reconciliation of religion and
> science. The sacred categories of Jewish and Christian apocalyptic
> traditions have thoroughly penetrated the futuristic musings of
> important researches in robotics and artificial intelligence.
> Those categories have serious effects in robotics research,
> virtual reality/online gaming, and contemporary disputes over the
> nature of consciousness and personhood, public policy, and theology."
>
> The author seemingly enjoys it. The book could though be a warning
> for atheists who fight with Church and forget to check what one
> can find among AI studies.
>
> Evgenii
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> 2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi <use...@rudnyi.ru
> <mailto:use...@rudnyi.ru>>
>
> On 22.03.2013 13:47 Stephen P. King said the following:
>
>
> On 3/22/2013 7:16 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
>
> Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions
> of Heaven
> in Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual
> Reality
>
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