On Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:10:45 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM, John Mikes <jam...@gmail.com<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Stathis wrote: >> *"I also have a very simple and straightforward idea of free will: I >> exercise my free will when I make a choice without being coerced...."* >> * >> * >> And how do you know that you are *not* coerced? your mind works on both >> conscious and (sub-? un-? beyond-?) conscious arguments that 'influence' >> (nicer, than 'coerced') your decisive process. Then again you may decide >> to >> 'will' against your best (or not-so-best?) interest - for some reason. >> You even >> may misunderstand circumstances and use them wrongly. >> All such (and another 1000) may influence (coerce??) your free decision. >> Continuing your sentence: >> > > I'm not coerced when I don't think I am coerced. Obviously, all my actions > are due to subconscious influences, namely, the biochemistry of my brain, > of which I am unaware. >
Why are all of your actions "obviously" due to subconscious influences? If that were the case why would personal awareness exist? > > >> * "...I never said that the laws of physics deny the possibility of free >> will, >> but free will is impossible if you define it in such a way as to be >> incompatible with the laws of physics or even with logic."* >> * >> * >> The "Laws" of physics are our deduction from the so far observed >> incomplete >> circumstances - they don't "allow" or "deny" - maybe explain at the level >> of their >> compatibility. The "impossibility" of free will is not a no-no, unless it >> has been >> proven to be an existing(?) FACT (what I do not believe in). >> Logic is the ultimate human pretension, especially if not said 'what kind >> of'. >> > > In order to decide if free will exists the first thing is to understand > what is meant by the term. If it means "I choose to do what I want I do" > then free will exists. If it means something else such as "neither > determined nor random" then it doesn't exist. > What do you claim is the difference between choosing to do what you want to do and acting as a physical phenomenon which is intentional rather than unintentional (determined or random)? Craig > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
