>> This is a "theorem", once we suppose the mind is Turing emulable.
not actually a theorem if we don't, tho' ? More to the point, it might well be that materialism IS a joke. But Roger's attempt to show this is no closer to the mark than Dr. Johnson kicking his stone was to disproving idealism. It doesn't follow from the fact that materialists believe only physical things exist that they also think all existence is objective. That is at best a straw man at worst a non-sequiteur. By and large materialists attempt to explain mentality in terms of physical things, not deny that there is mentality. So to point to mentality and say 'there you go, proven materialism false' misses the point big time. > Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 13:54:05 +0200 > Subject: Re: Materialism is a joke > From: te...@telmomenezes.com > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > > > On 04 Jun 2013, at 01:20, Roger Clough wrote: > > > > Materialism is a joke > > > > Materialism is a view of the universe that claims that the only > > existence in the universe is physical or objective existence--that only > > objects moving in spacetime exist. Which is disproven by the > > fact that if you understand that definition, you've proven that > > there is something beyond objective existence -- subjective or > > mental existence > > > > > > Even weak materialism is a joke, Roger. This is a "theorem", once we suppose > > the mind is Turing emulable. > > This makes materialism (the non weak one) even more of a joke. > > Is there a possible scenario where the mind is not Turing emulable and > materialism holds? > > Telmo. > > > Bruno > > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
