On 12 Jun 2013, at 20:57, Jason Resch wrote:
On Jun 12, 2013, at 1:52 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 6/12/2013 2:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Bruno Marchal
<marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>
> On 11 Jun 2013, at 23:18, John Mikes wrote:
>
> Laughing stock: how can so many excellently educted and
smart(est)
> scientists SERIOUSLY debate on farces like flying pink elephants?
>
>
>
> Those are test cases, extreme case, to argue more easily on the
question of
> existence, which is not obvious.
> Of course we are not discussing on the existence of flying
elephants at all.
Maybe on a smaller planet with less gravity or a denser atmosphere
flying elephants would be a viable evolutionary niche?
But in what sense would they be elephants? That's my point:
'elephant' is a category we make up.
Things are either consistently defined or they are not. Here
though, I think the problem is not necessarily inconstency but lack
of clarity.
Example: Is an elephant in a cargo plane at 10,000 feet not a
flying elephant?
I think We are wasting our time on matters of language when the core
issue is the diffetence between how big some of us consider reality
to be.
With comp the cardinality of our reality is absolutely undecidable. I
think that the core issue is in finding a simple theory, with the less
ontological commitment as possible, and the fewest possible of
assumptions, explaining the observation, but also the fist person,
consciousness, etc. Here QM is an amazing jewel, but with comp it has
to be derived from the math of the first person (hopefully and
reasonably plural).
Bruno
Jason
Brent
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