Hi Prof. Standish
I read your paper 'Evolution in the Multiverse' and the related discussion in
your book.
I'm not sure I really got it. My original interpretation was wrong, I think,
but went something like (by all means laugh at any howlers):
there is the plenitude which is everything that could possibly be and it
'exists' as a kind of cloud of quantum superpositions of states waiting to
decohere (collapse?). On measurement dechoerence traces out a history for each
viable universe with the AP setting the end point, the type of intellegent
organisms evolution must meet, with the SSA setting the most likely starting
point. In this way, for any universe, the AP and SSA kind of govern the nature
of life in the universe and combined can be seen as a kind of selective
principle. I then had this image of a bunch of universes allowing life at
varying degrees of sophistication peaking at the universe with the ultimate
brainy ET.
But then I thought hang on, decoherence is copenhagen whereas Prof. Standish is
MWI so something is wrong. Im definately in a muddle here...
Any pointers would be welcome.
All the best.
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:58:49 -0700
From: cdemorse...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Serious proof of why the theory of evolution is wrong
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Brent ~ I follow the logic and am not arguing with it. I was wondering if
there is any evidence baked into the DNA so to speak; in other words are there
any areas of coding DNA that are known to be (or perhaps suspected of being)
linked to and involved with such behavioral traits as herding instinct etc.
that have been shown to have evolved in dogs (or more accurately been bred into
dogs by human directed breeding for desired traits). I would not be surprised
at all to find that there were, and feel pretty certain that a delta mapping of
wolf DNA and say a Sheep Collies DNA will show changes in the key sets of genes
that would be implicated in these behaviors... that is if we know what they
are. Mapping behaviors to genes gets tricky because things as complex as a
behavior, such as the instinct to herd sheep, probably draws upon multiple DNA
coding sequences located in possibly different genes even. I don't think
geneticists really have nailed down how instincts are wired into our genetic
heredity -- we have statistical correlations and such, but - perhaps it is my
own ignorance, but no clear story as to how these genetically encoded behavior
genes actually work -- end to end. While, for example some Newspaper headline
may boldly state that scientists have found the "gene" for aggression say, a
deeper read will reveal that what was found was some DNA that may influence
whether or not an individual becomes aggressive, for example, but that whether
they actually do or not also depends on a lot of other
co-factors, making it hard to determine what the trigger chain of events and
changes actually is in reality. Very often, it turns out there is an
environmental component in how behavioral traits arise in an individual as
well. The interplay between hereditary information and the many dynamic
processes at work in the organism at each phase: from the transcription phase
that ultimately results in mRNA strands becoming used as a template in the
ribosome to produce amino acid chains is still too poorly understood -- IMO --
for assertive statements. We hypothesize the genetic component in many
behaviors; have found regions of DNA that are implicated in controlling
behavior, but the science is still underdeveloped, the genetic maps we have at
our disposal far too course and incomplete and our
understanding of the many dynamic processes at work still incomplete. But --
[laughing] -- maybe I just need to catch up... it is such a rapidly moving
field. -Chris
From: meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Serious proof of why the theory of evolution is wrong
On 8/12/2013 9:41 AM, Chris de Morsella
wrote:
What
co-evolutionary traits have been shown to have occurred in
dogs and cattle because of their association with humans (so
which are therefore part of the equation)?
Dogs are just wolves that, thru (un)natural selection have evolved
to bond with humans as with a pack. Cattle similarly evolved to be
docile and tolerant of humans.
For
example with sheep – is sheep dog behavior evolved? Or are
they expressing genetic potential that was already innate in
their species? That would also be an interesting example, if
it can be shown that an evolved set of behaviors (e.g.
instincts) developed in those dog species that were bred for
working with cattle or sheep that is absent in other dog
species that there are epigenetic and/or DNA encoding
differences that are related to and underpin the behaviors and
traits being observed.
Wolves herd sheep too, so there was innate potential. But dogs can
also learn a lot of words. I don't know whether wolves can or not.
That might be an evolved capability.
Brent
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