Brent, your 'quip' comes close, but... It is a fundamental view of the world as we see it (the MODEL of it we know about). We can detect the affecting of many factors we know about, which is a portion only. We THINK the rest is up to us. It isn't - however we are not slaves of deterministic effects. There are conter-effects to choose from and stronger/weaker argumentative decisions to pnder. So we HAVE som (free? relatively so) choices within given situations where we have effects to ponder. Even the counterproductive decision is such a result. When the Sun traveled the Dome of the Sky - that was congruent with the model of that time. Today we are not much smarter just think so. We have other (mis)beliefs we hold true. We call it conventional science (maybe QM? - anyway The Physical World (ask Bruno).
Consciousness is different: it is a hoax some high hatted scientists/pholosophers invented to make themselves smart. No basis, every author uses the term for a content that fits her/his theoretical stance. Me, too. Mine is: a response to relations we get to know about. Nothing more. Not human/elephant/dolphin, not universe, not awareness, not nothing, just RESPONSE. By anything on anything. You may even include the figments of the Physical World into the inventory. We spend too much time on items of our fictions we indeed do not know much about. We even get Nobel prizes for them. (Not me). Then comes a religious indoctrination and steals the list. John Mikes On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:45 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 8/16/2013 11:01 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Nobody on Earth can fail to understand the difference between doing > something by accident and intentionally, > > > Really? Intentionally usually means with conscious forethought. But the > Grey Walter and Libet experiments make it doubtful that consciousness of > intention precedes the decision. > > Remember when nobody on Earth could doubt that the Sun traveled across the > dome of the sky and the Earth was flat. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
