this is in line with schopenhauer's views. he was essentially a buddhist. you can want not to want, in which case you cannot will yourself to want to want. you can have and act upon the desire to change your desires, but that doesn't constitute "willing" what you want. instead, this constitutes just another form of acting in accordance to one's wants
On Tuesday, September 3, 2013, Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:41 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net<javascript:;>> > wrote: > > On 9/2/2013 8:50 PM, Dennis Ochei wrote: > > > > > > No matter how complex a system is, it can never be complex enough to > contain > > itself, and is therefore unable to perceive itself directly as a > > deterministic process. Only in the special cases, where the major causes > of > > its action are made apparent, such as when someone holds a gun to its > head, > > will it realize that it is acting in compulsion and not freedom. In other > > cases, when the desire to act comes about in a subtle fashion, the system > > might say to itself, I did x because I wanted to do x, and I could have > > wanted to do y. The system may be satisfied with such an explanation, > > without probing into a complete physical description of what constitutes > > wanting. Since the causal explanation is not easily available or > > comprehensible (it arose out of the particular and peculiar interaction > of > > many subunits of the system in question), the system settles with the > > explanation that it acted freely and could have done otherwise. This is > how > > an eight cylinder engine mistakes itself for something which is the > specific > > opposite of engines. > > > > > > Good explanation. Craig has failed to absorb the dictum of Schopenhauer: > > "Der Mensh Kann wohl tun, was er will, aber er kann nicht wollen, was er > > will." > > Buddhists might disagree with Schopenhauer. At least in the sense that > they believe it possible to suppress desire. It is perhaps interesting > that the way they claim this to be possible is to observe the wanter. > > Telmo. > > > Brent > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <javascript:;>. > > To post to this group, send email to > > everything-list@googlegroups.com<javascript:;> > . > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/jDy5twbibkQ/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <javascript:;>. > To post to this group, send email to > everything-list@googlegroups.com<javascript:;> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
