On 02 Oct 2013, at 21:30, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/2/2013 6:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 01 Oct 2013, at 19:09, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/1/2013 4:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Note also that the expression "computation have qualia" can be
misleading. A computation has no qualia, strictly speaking. Only
a person supported by an infinity of computation can be said to
have qualia, or to live qualia.
Why an infinity of computation??
Because the FPI bears on arithmetic, which contains the running of
all universal machine implementing your code, below your
substitution level.
With comp you can attach a mind to some body, but you cannot attach
one token body to a mind, you can attach only an infinities of such
bodies, through the interference of all computations which realize
them in arithmetic.
That would preclude my building an intelligent robot having
qualia, since it's computations would always be finite. And I
doubt there is room in my head for infinite computations -
certainly not digital ones.
You are right. We cannot build intelligent being with qualia. The
computer, and the 3p-robot, does not create that consciousness, it
will only help a consciousness, which is already in Platonia, to be
able to manifest itself relatively to you, with the same
statistic for your and the robot continuations.
When a consciousness is not manifested, what is it's content?
Good question. Difficult. Sometimes ago, I would have said that
consciousness exists only in manifested form.
But I am much less sure about that, and such consciousness state
might be something like heavenly bliss or hellish terror, depending on
the path where you would lost the ability of manifesting yourself.
Bruno
Brent
It is confusing, but this is because we tend to associate mind to
brain or robot, but mind is an attribute of person, and a brain or
a body is only needed for a relative purpose.
Bruno
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