On 04 Oct 2013, at 00:56, chris peck wrote:
Hi Liz / pgc
If I have been abusive to you or Bruno then I apologize without
hesitation. If you would show where I have been abusive though I
would appreciate that, because at the moment I regard the suggestion
as low and mean spirited.
I have made my points and been misrepresented, misunderstood and
disagreed with. I have clarified as far as I could. No doubt I have
misrepresented and misunderstood people in return. In what way is
that out of the ordinary in debate? In what way is that a disservice
to anyone? The points under debate may seem obvious to you, well I
apologise for my stupidity but they are not obvious to me. I find it
stunning that people find anything in the realm of theoretical
physics remotely obvious.
Bruno should be happy that people are still reading his papers. What
more respect can anyone give him?
I do not follow his argument. I do not follow his or your attempts
to clarify them. I see flaws in what you say. Does that really
insult you?
Just focuse on the flaw.
Let me ask you a variant of the iterated WM-duplication.
I multiply you 24 times per second (24) during 1h30 (60 * 90), into as
many copies can be sent in front of one of the 2^(16180 * 10000)
possible images on a screen with 16180 * 10000 pixels, which can be
black or white each.
OK?
What do you expect that you will live as experience among the one
proposed below (non exclusive):
0) I will die instantaneously
1) I will experience seeing all movies (at once)
2) A black and white movie (perhaps quite avant-garde)
3) The always black movie
4) The always white movie
5) A (silent) Hitchcock movie
6) A (silent) Hitchcock movie with greek subtitle
7) A random movie (white noise)
?
And by definition of first person, the confirmation of the possible
successful prediction are asked to all 2^(16180 * 10000) * (60 * 90)
* 24 copies which go out of the last movie theaters, when the "movie"
is finished.
You can *define* The 1p indeterminacy, for that protocol, by a
sampling on the conclusion (about the success of the prediction)
contained in all diaries.
Bruno
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From: "LizR" <lizj...@gmail.com>
Sent: 4 October 2013 7:20 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com, "Charles Goodwin" <charlesrobertgood...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?
On 4 October 2013 06:28, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <multiplecit...@gmail.com
> wrote:
You were kind enough to let the list know, along with Chris Peck,
that the flaw in the reasoning concerning step 3 of the UDA is "it
sucks".
Unless you guys backtrack and quit abusing the fact that Bruno's
politeness and dedication to critical debate puts him in default
mode of taking your points seriously and granting you the benefit of
the doubt that you would not in the faintest be inclined to grant in
return, these discussions are a one way street into brick walls with
"you suck" infantile graffiti sprayed on them at the end.
So unless you can state something more substantial than teenage
insults and ruses รก la "I don't understand THIS AND THAT!!!" or the
more passive but nonetheless authoritative "you're confusing first/
third person, everything is first person" etc. , I submit you guys
are trolling and wasting time on this.
Either be open for genuine discussion and finding of flaws or this
is pointless as it does a disservice to the readers of this list. It
is not difficult to see that refuting computationalism in this form,
would be a major result.
Your aspirations are lofty gentlemen, but they don't jibe with the
infantilization and the mockery masking itself as poised discourse
and clear debate. PGC
I would like to frame this post and bring it whenever necessary :)
In fact I will keep a copy, just in case it's ever needed again.
Thank you, PGC.
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