On Oct 15, 2013, at 10:10 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16 October 2013 16:01, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Our theory in a certain sense bridges the positions of Einstein and
Bohr, since the complete theory is quite objective and
deterministic...and yet on the subjective level...it is
probabilistic in the strong sense that there is no way for observers
to make any predictions better than the limitations imposed by the
uncertainty principle."
So he explicitly says the fully deterministic theory (fully
deterministic from the God's eye, third person view) leads to
probabilistic (random/unpredictable) outcomes from the subjective
observer's first person view. Even an observer who had complete
knowledge of the deterministic wave function and could predict its
entire evolution could not predict their next experience.
Technically they can. They can correctly predict that they will have
all the available experiences.
That's the third person view. The view of the wavefunction's
evolution. That is completely predictible.
Whether or not you will measure the electron to be spin up or spin
down you can't predict in advance. That is because you experience
both but neither experiences it as being both spin up and spin down.
It's only after the measurement has been made that there is an
appearance of probability, with each duplicate feeling that he has
experienced a probablistic event. But that feeling only arises from
the assumption (or gut feeling) that there is only one observer,
both before and after the measurement.
(However, I imagine everyone here understands this...???)
Apparently not. John refuses to accept that a fully deterministic
process can lead to the subjective appearance of randomness when
duplication is involved. (the third step of the UDA)
Jason
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