On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:18:39 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > On 17 October 2013 16:12, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com <javascript:> > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:11:02 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: >> >>> On 16 October 2013 14:05, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:51:17 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 16 October 2013 13:48, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No, that's begging the question. A human body may be a machine, but >>>>>> that does not mean that a human experience can be created from the >>>>>> outside >>>>>> in. That's what all of these points are about - a machine does not build >>>>>> itself from a single reproducing cell. A machine does not care what it >>>>>> is >>>>>> doing, it doesn't get bored or tired. A machine is great at doing things >>>>>> that people are terrible at doing and vice versa. There is much more >>>>>> evidence to suggest that human experience is the polar opposite of >>>>>> mechanism than that it could be defined by mechanism. >>>>>> >>>>>> So what is a human being, if not a (very complicated, >>>>> molecular-component-**containing**) machine? (Or is "machine" being >>>>> defined in a specialised sense here?) >>>>> >>>> >>>> A human being is the collective self experience received during the >>>> phenomenon known as a human lifetime. The body is only one aspect of that >>>> experience - a reflection defined as a familiar body in the context of its >>>> own perception. >>>> >>> >>> That's cool, but if the body is a (complicated, etc) machine, then >>> either those experiences are part of the machine, or they're something >>> else. If they're part of the machine then you're wrong in some of the >>> above-quoted statements (and you contradicted yourself by saying that a >>> machine doesn't grow from a cell, by the way) If it's something else, then >>> - depending on the nature of that something else - it's possible that other >>> things have it, and we don't recognise the fact. It would be important to >>> know what that something else is before one can construct an argument. (For >>> example, I believe Bruno thinks the "something else" is an infinite sheaf >>> of computations.) >>> >> >> Have you considered that it might be the body which is part of a sheaf of >> experiences? >> > > Since Bruno started trying to explain comp to me, I have indeed considered > that. It could be, for example, via the mechanism you mentioned in your > previous post: > > Bruno considers arithmetic to be behind mechanism, mechanism to be behind >> awareness, and awareness to be behind physics. >> > I would have agreed with Bruno completely a few years ago, but since then I think that it makes more sense that arithmetic is a kind of sense than that sense could be a kind of arithmetic. I think that mechanism is a kind of arithmetic and arithmetic is a kind of sense, as is private awareness a kind of sense.
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