On 03 Dec 2013, at 21:33, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno, Could comp possibly work without the infinities.?
At the ontological level, it works without the infinities.
It still use the infinity of finite things: 0, 1, 2, 3, ...
At the epistemological level, that is at the level of the beliefs of
the universal numbers, they have to use many infinities to develop
theories about themselves and make them meaningful.
With comp finite/infinite is aboslute, but enumerable/non-enumerable
is relative (like in the model theory of set theory, cf Skolem)
Bruno
Richard
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
On 02 Dec 2013, at 21:40, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/2/2013 8:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I'm sorry but we will have to agree we disagree on that. You're
also misleading atheistic position, and you're wrongly
attributing "belief" to atheist people (especially belgians)...
I'm belgian, I'm not a materialist, I consider myself atheist in
regards of religions, and that's what most atheist means when
they say they are atheist.
Call it "ultimate reality". It is OK, until you grasp enough of
comp to see that this rings a bit faulty.
There is no problem to call it "ultimate reality", as long as you
are open it might have "personal" aspects, and have no prejudice
on wht that "ultimate reality" can be (with this or that
hypothesis).
Then you should have no prejudice toward accepting matter as the
possible "ultimate reality".
I don't have any prejudice. I am just saying that IF comp is
correct, then matter or the observable is given by some infinite
sums on infinitely many universal numbers. And so it is testable,
accepting the most standard definitions in the crossed fields.
It too might have personal aspect.
It sure has.
(It is, roughly, and plausibly, the nuance between Bp & Dt, (no
first personal aspect) and Bp & Dt & p, p sigma_1 (first personal
aspect))
They give arithmetical quantizations, and it is a technical
difficulty to see if they emulate a quantum machine or not.
I have no prejudice at all. I am agnostic on both matter and god. I
just try to put the pieces of the puzzle in the "correct place",
assuming an hypothesis which helps for intuitive reasoning, and
their translation in math.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,
send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,
send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
