On 05 Dec 2013, at 19:50, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/5/2013 1:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
But what has happened is that science has taken away more and more
of their domain,
It was in the domain at the start. Science is only a lamp, not a
truth. It is a way to look at any domain.
And the way science looks at a domain is to make models and test
them by observation and manipulation.
We test theories. We cannot test models. But we interpret and give
meaning to the theories, and thus believe in the model or some model.
If the models are comprehensive, consilient, have predictive power,
then they are tentatively accepted in sense of being assumed in
support of other studies. That's why I think that when we are able
to make robots that behave like humans we will have models of
"conscious thought" that are much more "fine grained" than we do
now. But conversely we will not longer think "What is consciousness
to be sensible question."
I guess you do miss something in the UDA. If we are machine, we do
have a testable theory of consciousness-and-matter. And it has the
shape of a neoplatonist theory.
That fact is not remarkable. If all correct machine discover that
number theology, it is normal that the most less self-referentially
wrong human get it when looking inward.
It is just that very often humans get attached to some theory, and
are followed by the "don't ask" attitude by those who coerce for
some statu quo.
And very often humans have gotten attached to the wrong question and
have wasted centuries theorizing over answers.
UDA shows that we have no choice in the matter.
Bruno
Brent
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