Hi LizR,

  For example, the commutator that relates observables to each other is
different. The statistical relations that can be used to accurately model
experimental data is different. Most importantly, the ontologies are very
different.
  Classical physics allows a Laplacean observer to exist, QM does not.
There is no such a thing as a "view from nowhere" nor a single narrative of
all events in a QM consistent universe.


On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:42 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 17 December 2013 15:33, Stephen Paul King 
> <stephe...@provensecure.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:28 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "My point, such as it is, is that we can use the same maths for both the
>> Newtonian domain in which things behave "roughly according to common sense"
>> and the quantum domain in which they very much don't. The fact that the
>> same maths applies to these domains, which as you pointed out are wildly
>> different, at least implies that maths has an independent (or at least
>> physics-domain-independent) existence. Hence it probably isn't just
>> something we made up to work in one domain (roughly the Newtonian)."
>>
>>  Umm, no, the math is not the same for this two different domains!
>> Therefore you're "hence..." does not follow. Sorry.
>>
>> Go on. In what was isn't it the same?
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