On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com>wrote:

> Dear LizR,
>
>   That is exactly the point that I wanted to make: 'There couldn't be an
> observer in such a universe, it's far too simple." There could not be one
> wherefore "he could deduce the existence of 17 theoretically, and work
> out its properties" is impossible: probability zero.
>

I can't see the significance of this argument. If we take a large enough
number, say 10^80, that observers *can *exist, we can then ask whether such
observers could work out the properties of numbers greater than 10^80.
Since we appear to be in such a universe, the answer is yes. And we can
also work out the properties of a universe containing 16 objects. So it
appears that observers in a universe which allows observers to exist can
work out the properties of universes containing any number of objects. (Or,
for short, they can do maths,)

>
>   We could never experience such and thus it follows that, to us, such a
> universe does not exist. Now, to follow the chain of reasoning, consider
> the collection of universes that are such that 17 is not prime is true in
> that collection. Could "we" experience anything like those universes?
>

I can't see any chain of reasoning.

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