On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:45 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 12/16/2013 8:52 PM, LizR wrote:
>
>  On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King 
> <stephe...@provensecure.com>wrote:
>
>>  Dear LizR,
>>
>>    That is exactly the point that I wanted to make: 'There couldn't be
>> an observer in such a universe, it's far too simple." There could not be
>> one wherefore "he could deduce the existence of 17 theoretically, and
>> work out its properties" is impossible: probability zero.
>>
>
>  I can't see the significance of this argument. If we take a large enough
> number, say 10^80, that observers *can *exist, we can then ask whether
> such observers could work out the properties of numbers greater than 10^80.
>
>
> Can we?  Whenever I add 1 to 10^80 I get 10^80 in spite of Peano.
>
>
Use a programming language such as python or Java which supports big
integers. It will let you add 1 to 10^80.

Jason

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