On 21 Dec 2013, at 17:36, John Mikes wrote:
Dear Edgar Owen: thanks for a post with reason. I am sorry to be too
old to read your (any?) book so I take it from your present
communication. You wrote among others:
"...Modern science has a major lacuna, the notion that all of
reality is mathematical, that prevents science from grasping the
complete nature of reality. In truth all of reality is logical, as
is software, and the mathematics is just a subset of the logic.
After all, modern science with its misguided insistence that all of
reality is mathematical, has had nothing useful to say about the
nature of either consciousness or the present moment, the two most
fundamental aspects of experience. However I present a computational
based information approach to these in my book among many other
things..."
I doubt if we can have knowledge about "reality" at all, especially
"the complete nature of it".
I presume (hope?) you do not limit 'logical' to our present human
logic?
I arrived by speculating on the diverse facets of different authors
what they call (their) coinsciousness a "response to relations"
irrespective of the performer.
Your other inconnu: the present moment appeared in my speculations
to cut out "TIME" from the view we carry about our existence (I was
unsuccessful).
Finally: I hope what you deem "computational" is not restricted to a
numbers-based mathematical lingo -
It is, by definition.
rather a sophisticational ways of arriving at conclusions by ANY
ways we may, or may not even know (com - putare).
That is not computability, but provability, or inductive inference,
which are indeed NOT universal. There are as many ways to get
conclusion than there exist thinking creatures.
That is why Church thesis is truly miraculous. Limiting us on the
arithmetical reality, all theories gives different theorems, but for
computability (on any effective domain) all languages gives exactly
the same class of computable functions.
Bruno
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote:
All,
The fundamental nature of reality is examined in detail in my recent
book on Reality available on Amazon under my name.
Marchal is on the right track, but reality consists not just of
numbers (math) but is a running logical structure analogous to
software that continually computes the current state of the
universe. Just as software includes but doesn't consist only of
numbers and math, so does reality. In fact the equations of physical
science make sense only when embedded in a logical structure just as
is the case in computational reality.
Modern science has a major lacuna, the notion that all of reality is
mathematical, that prevents science from grasping the complete
nature of reality. In truth all of reality is logical, as is
software, and the mathematics is just a subset of the logic. After
all, modern science with its misguided insistence that all of
reality is mathematical, has had nothing useful to say about the
nature of either consciousness or the present moment, the two most
fundamental aspects of experience. However I present a computational
based information approach to these in my book among many other
things.
The second clarification that needs to be made to the post on
Marchal's work is that human math and logic are distinct from the
actual math and logic that computes reality. The human version is a
generalized and extended approximation of the actual that differs
from the actual logico-mathematical structure of reality in
important ways (e.g. infinities and infinitesimals which don't
actually exist in external reality).
I can explain further if anyone is interested, or you can read about
it in my book...
Edgar Owen
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