On 30 January 2014 12:45, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:38:22 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > >> On 30 January 2014 12:32, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:22:43 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >>> >>>> On 30 January 2014 12:21, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:13:35 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 30 January 2014 12:09, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:01:19 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30 January 2014 11:39, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:38:04 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 30 January 2014 11:24, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:34:48 PM UTC-5, John Clark >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Craig Weinberg < >>>>>>>>>>>> whats...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > NO ROOM CAN BE CONSCIOUS. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And we know that because we can say it in all capital letters, >>>>>>>>>>>> or possibly from the teachings of two of your favorite subjects, >>>>>>>>>>>> astrology >>>>>>>>>>>> and numerology. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The all caps were in response to Bruno's all caps, and no, you >>>>>>>>>>> don't need astrology and numerology to understand that rooms are not >>>>>>>>>>> haunted by the spirits of system-hood. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Imagine a small, roughly spherical room made out of a fairly hard >>>>>>>>>> material something like limestone. Make a few holes in it, fill it >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> some goop with the consistency of blancmange, decorate with sense >>>>>>>>>> organs >>>>>>>>>> and throw in a body. >>>>>>>>>> Et voila! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Voila, a cadaver. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unless *all *such objects are cadavers, this "disproves" the >>>>>>>> statement that *no *room can be conscious. >>>>>>>> (I must admit the idea that "no room can be conscious" seems to >>>>>>>> demand qualification...) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> All such objects would be cadavers, in the absence of some >>>>>>> subjective experience which is being expressed. >>>>>>> >>>>>> What about anaesthesia and dreamless sleep? >>>>>> >>>>> Our personal level of awareness is not the totality of the awareness >>>>> that our lives consist of. We sleep, but if we have to pee, who wakes us >>>>> up >>>>> so we don't wet the bed? >>>>> >>>> So all such objects aren't cadavers. >>>> >>> If you are unconscious, you don't personally exist, but you exist >>> sub-personally and super-personally. A body has microscopic and macroscopic >>> scales, but those are only from the perspective which is available through >>> our body, and its use of other bodies. The difference between a cadaver and >>> a living person's body is not within the body, it is within experience. >>> It's aesthetic, not functional. Although the functional and aesthetic >>> perspectives can influence each other, as the cart can influence the >>> behavior of the horse, the cart is ultimately dependent on the horse rather >>> than the other way around. >>> >> >> One difference between an unconscious body and a dead one is that you can >> return an unconscious one to consciousness later. >> That sounds kind of functional to me. >> > > It's only functional if you assume that consciousness has value beyond the > operation of the body. The condition of being able to return though is not > necessarily part of the body. I can leave my house and the house will fall > into disrepair eventually, but that doesn't mean that I am part of my > house, or that there is some quality of my house which equals the fact of > my presence in it. > The quality is being in a state of good repair, surely? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
