On Friday, January 17, 2014 9:59:36 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > On 1/17/2014 2:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 Jan 2014, at 19:04, meekerdb wrote: > > On 1/16/2014 12:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > The body does not produces consciousness, it only make it possible for > consciousness to forget the "higher self", and deludes us (in some sense) > in having a "little ego" embedded in some history. > > > Sounds like wishful thinking. > > > That is very subjective. It sounds to me, and to some other people, > (apparently many), that it looks more like some terrifying thinking. > > > I agree. But your choice of words gives the opposite impression. > > > > > > Why "higher"? Why not "lower". > > > Yes, why not. The standard term is "higher". > > > Exactly - it is very subjective. > > > > > Why not diffused into the infinite threads of the UD? > > > Why not indeed? Is that a problem? Not sure to see your point. > > > My point is that you imply we should be happy with the implications of > comp because it implies we really have a "higher self" that we've merely > forgotten and that we are deluded in having a "little ego". Just consider > how different it sounds to say we have forgotten our real "lower self" and > we deluded in thinking our ego is significant. > > Brent > This is very true. I find it strange how much bias of various kinds gets built into this comp business. It surely can't be possible that a learned scholar like Bruno doesn't stop to consider whether he's loading terms in distortive ways. There's no way this is a language issue, the issue is far too basic. I hope Bruno takes your advice and tests his choice next time, by considering its negative. Another bias is the way comp is presented as a hierarchy of acceptance of comp with words like 'courage' associated toward the higher end of acceptance, and very much the opposite associations going down the stack. We could talk forever about how individualistic people are, but the fact is there's a lot of evidence people can be very vulnerable to this sort of social/reputation type pressure. That said there's no sign it's purposeful or devious or anything like that, but even so. Something else is that some people don't appear to stick to published work and consequences when someone less experienced is undecided. The issue there is that there's a good chance that less experienced person may not be able to distinguish this for himself, and may be assuming published work is being stuck to - a reasonable assumption in my view. A simple remedy would be to label non published...stuff that are still at insight stage or whatever, as personal opinion.
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