On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 5:35 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Sunday, February 2, 2014 6:36:24 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 4:29 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>> Although it doesn't necessarily follow the digital transformation >>>>>> of consciousness is perfectly consistent with the matter in the desk I'm >>>>>> pounding my hand on right now as simply being a subroutine in the >>>>>> johnkclak >>>>>> program, and the same is true of the matter in my hand. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> Only by a confusion 1p and 3p, >>>>> >>>> >>> >> OK now were getting to the heart of the matter (no pun indented). >>>> Explain exactly why my statement above is confused and or wrong and you >>>> will have won this year old debate. >>>> >>> >>> > UDA is the explanation of this. >>> >> >> You're going to have to more than just type 3 letters to convince me! >> >> > You agreed also that consciousness is not localized >>> >> >> Yes I agree, in fact it was me not you who first mentioned it. >> >> > but you talk like if the object on your desk are localized. >>> >> >> Are you claiming that a computer can emulate a intelligent conscious >> being but can't emulate a desk? If my consciousness is caused by a >> computer processing information then the world that consciousness interacts >> with is also cause by information. And information like consciousness has >> no unique position. >> >> > If your consciousness is not localized, and perhaps supported by many >>> other computations (in a physical universe or in arithmetic) you need to >>> explain why the object of your desk appear to be made of local matter >>> >> >> Because the desk subprogram was written to appear that way to the John >> Clark subprogram; the desk could appear however the master programer (or >> evolution) wished it to appear, he could even ignore the laws of physics if >> he wished and use Aristotelian physics, or road runner cartoon physics. >> >> >> it's been over a year and to be honest I don't even remember what the >>>> first 2 steps were, they may have been just as silly as step 3. >>>> >>> >>> > This shows the complete non seriousness of your attitude. >>> >> >> I promise to give your ideas all the seriousness they deserve. >> >> > it means that you have judged from rumors and not personal study. >>> >> >> You and I have never met so the only thing I have to judge you by is by >> studying the ASCII sequence you have produced. And I have never heard any >> rumors about you but now you've got me curious, what are they? >> >> > You are an obscurantist religious bigot >>> >> >> Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard >> that one before, at least I never heard it before I was 12. >> >> > and parrot >>> >> >> Stop using the exact same ridiculous insult and I'll stop using the exact >> same rubber stamp reply. >> >> John K Clark >> > probably the kiss of death since I'm a known lunatic, >
Always a good intro. > but I vouch for John here but would probably say comp itself as stated in > Chuch/say-yes-to-doctor thesis > > , already drops the consciousness issue betweee n the cracks. > Can you be precise here, or are you just trying to be holy funky Moses? > Nothing wrong with the UDA after that, > Perhaps we'll see about that. > but consciousness wasn't being 'carried' to begin with. > So what would you suggest as ontological primitive and/or responsible for consciousness? Extinction? Feel free to elaborate. John argues materialist prohibition 'don't ask, don't tell' in the end and is a bigot with a consistency macho fetish so huge, that he is forced to bullshit and insult, to cover it up. Hypothetically hoping you are high, but not wanting whatever you're on ;-) PGC > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
