On 26 Feb 2014, at 15:32, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Stathis,
At least we AGREE there is NO empirical evidence for a block universe.
There is no evidence for a universe. (in the usual aristotelian sense
of the word).
But there is OVERWHELMING evidence for flowing time and a present
moment.
Not 3p evidences, and the relativity theory makes it senseless (as
Jesse made rather clear here).
Your p-time seems transitive, and this implies p-time is block-time.
The experience of our existence in a present moment is the most
fundamental empirical observation of our existence.
It is a 1p evidence. It is not sharable. Using that type of evidence
is not allow in polite conversation.
And all science, all knowledge, is based on empirical observation.
OK. But consciousness and flowing time are not empirical evidence.
They are complex data top explain, but cannot be taken for granted, or
even well defined.
So, in the face of this obvious weight of evidence, why do you
insist on a block universe instead of a universe in which time flows?
Isn't it crazy to reject what there is enormous evidence for and
accept what there is NO evidence for?
That is what you do. There are no evidence for any universe, and
indeed, as you assume comp, you could understand that there is no
universe. The notion is close to inconsistent, and explanatively empty.
Physicists measure numbers, and infer relation among numbers. Then
even cosmological theories usually avoid metaphysical commitment. This
is done by physicalist philosophers, and can make sense, but then not
together with the assumption that the brain functions mechanically at
some level.
If you doubt this, then you must find a flaw in the UD Argument.
Bruno
Edgar
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:39:21 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On 26 February 2014 08:07, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote:
> Stathis,
>
> I know that's your point. You are just restating it once again,
but you are
> completely UNABLE TO DEMONSTRATE IT without using some example in
which time
> is already FLOWING.
>
> Since you can't demonstrate it, there is no reason to believe it.
Belief in
> a block universe becomes a matter of blind faith, rather than a
logical
> consequence of anything, and it is certainly NOT based on any
empirical
> evidence whatsoever.....
I'm not arguing that there is empirical evidence for a block universe,
just that a block universe is consistent with our experience.
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Stathis Papaioannou
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