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[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 1:31 PM
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Subject: Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?
On 3/1/2014 12:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 01 Mar 2014, at 07:04, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/28/2014 9:22 PM, LizR wrote:
Nevertheless, it does seem to be. That is, 17 is a prime number regardless
of whether anyone knows it is, or even knows what numbers are, or indeed
whether anyone is even alive (e.g. it was prime in the first instants of the
big bang - maths has been used to work out what happened in the early
universe, with observable consequences now). There's a lot of hand waving
going on to deny this, but I haven't seen a knock down argument (or even a
suggestion of one) to indicate otherwise.
To deny what? That 17 is prime? That's a tautology. It's our theory that
the world consists of countable things - whether it really is, is
questionable.
Well, in the comp theory, there are no countable things, and non
mechanically countable things, etc. Both in the math, the physics, the
theology, etc.
>>Arithmetic doesn't include countable things, aka "numbers". I think
you're slipping into mysticism, Bruno.
Brent ~ are you saying that arithmetic is the operation (with potential
ordering & grouping) that takes numeric input and produces numeric output? I
find it hard to conceive of math without also contemporaneously envisioning
enumerable entities.
Chris
Brent
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