On 06 Mar 2014, at 20:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/6/2014 7:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
(b) think computation is intrinsically conscious
But this wording is worst, as it looks like it insists that a
computation (or some computation) are conscious. But only a first
person is conscious, and a first person is nothing capable of being
defined in any 3p way.
For example, a brain cannot think. Brain activity cannot think, a
computer cannot think, a computation cannot think, I would say. But
I can still say yes to the doctor, because I can believe that my
consciousness is related to an infinity of number relation in
arithmetic, and that a brain or a machine might make it possible
for that consciousness to be manifestable here and now, with
hopefully the right relative measure.
If it were not manifested here and now, what would it be conscious of?
Well, either in some other "here and now", as this is an indexical, or
of something else (in some altered state of consciousness which might
have nothing to do with "here and now"), or it might just not be
conscious at all.
What I am saying here is just that 3p things can only be conscious in
some metaphorical way, like when we say that a machine can think,
which really means only that a machine can support a thinking/
conscious first person agent. The conscious-thinker has to be a first
person, not a body. The first lesson of computationalism is that "I"
am not "my body", I own or borrow it only. In principle, I can get
another one.
Bruno
Brent
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