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From: "spudboy...@aol.com" <spudboy...@aol.com>
>>Chris, unless you have of cash to influence politicians, or are working as a
>>climatologist and looking forward to a job in some governmental agency, its
>>all goose eggs. Your premise is that IPCC is accurate, but there's a
>>discrepancy, in what governmentals are saying and proposing.
Dude -- please. The graph of rates of extinction over time; the data on species
extinctions (past & current) has nothing to do with the IPCC.... nadda, zilch.
If you could please get this to somehow make it past the fog of your ignorance
that would be helpful.
You have a strange idea of how science works. Thousands of field biologists,
working over many decades and even centuries now -- have contributed to a
growing body of basic data on species, including a census (by far most species
have never been discovered and are not cataloged yet). This is where the raw
extinction data is coming from... biologist field assays & surveys. The IPCC
has nothing to do with this at all. Inform yourself before shooting your big
mouth off.
>> My guess is they,
Your "guess" is worse than useless... it is unfounded, ideologically driven
drivel... and I will leave it at that. To say anymore is merely wasting words.
Chris
like yourself, are calling danger to the dreadful climate change man-bear-pig
(South Park episode) but that danger doesn't seem to be manifesting as
predicted. You never asked me what I would do if AGW-Climate manbearpig were
true, and I was a governmental or mental. But from your comments I clearly, got
the message that you were disinterested/amused and wanted to see how the riff
raff would take your baiting. I baited back, and so forth and so on sig transit
Gloria Mundi ad naseum. You are disinterested because you know what you want,
and wanted obedience to your faith. I grok that. You never provided any ideas
yourself, beyond conservation, when your fellow allies in academia, concluded
that changing energy systems won't mean a thing ( I disagree). So just let the
EPA Nazis have their way, and all will be fine :-) I, of course, disagree.
Of course, I heartily agree that you are most disagreeable… the kind of giant
of clear headed human intellect, who responds to facts with fulminations
trailing off into nonsensical strings of words… a kind of Tea Party inspired
stream of consciousness.
>I wouldn’t expect anything less of you; nor more…. And that’s the rub now,
>isn’t it?
>Chris
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From: Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 1:00 am
Subject: RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating
From:everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com
Sorry Chris, in a world of nasty, stubborn, skeptics, unwilling to genuflect at
the great, green Gaia, expect lots of disagreeable people like me. What you
have put forth does not line up well with cause and effect, but rather,
ideology. I'll pass, thank you.
Of course, I heartily agree that you are most disagreeable… the kind of giant
of clear headed human intellect, who responds to facts with fulminations
trailing off into nonsensical strings of words… a kind of Tea Party inspired
stream of consciousness.
I wouldn’t expect anything less of you; nor more…. And that’s the rub now,
isn’t it?
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com
>>Jesus, Chris. You must think that people all fit into nice little shoe boxes,
easily, applied taxonimies. Yea vearilly, no.
No.... just people, like you, who make non-sensical assertions such as: because
they can hear tweety birds in their backyard, the global extinction rate cannot
possibly be at 10,000 times the average background rate of extinction on this
planet, because otherwise how could there still be tweety birds for our
scientific observer to hear?
Recent studies have estimated that there are around eukaryotic 8.7 million
species on the planet -- and this is just the eukaryotic species (and then
there
are many millions of additional species of Archaea, Bacteria and all those
proto-alive viruses). How many of these species do you think you can see in
your backyard?
Does it begin to dawn in your head why I don't take you seriously at all? For,
if you confuse such kind of anecdotal BS for science you are profoundly
ignorant
of what science is, both in its ideal sense and even to quite an extent in its
imperfect day to day practice. And when you mix your profound ignorance of
science -- based on how you rely on laughably non-scientific "surveys" as the
rather flippant and non-thinking basis for -- in this particular case -- your
assertion that the extinction rates cannot possibly be that high, because you
have song birds in your backyard.... mix it in with your heartfelt vocation
towards preaching your Tea Party screed... to anyone and everyone (as if you
were a talking point conveyance mechanism) it begins to become rather
unpleasant.... for me at least.
Not everyone, spudboy, just you.
Chris
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From: Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com>
From: "spudboy...@aol.com" <spudboy...@aol.com>
>>Yes indeed! And the acid rain is a-pouring down, and everyone's face is
a-sizzlin and a-popin from the sulphur, and the Ozone hole is a-lettin in the
gamma rays, and the BP oil spill has a-wiped out all the shrimp, and the
Germans
is now a-making all their Mercedes with sunlight, and the oceans is a-risin,
and
a makin me a-drown, here in Ohio, and the spotted owl is a knocking over liquor
stores cause we destroyed their natural habitat, now they're on food stamps!
You
know, one time the little boy will cry wolf, and you will be right, but nobody
will listen, because as an act of green faith, you have been pushing the
message
once too often. Sir, I cannot partake of you Green Rites Church, but rest
assured,I do read the literature.
Are you a bible thumper? Certainly helps explain your gross ignorance of the
scientific method.
Chris
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<everything-list@googlegroups.com>Sent: 11-Mar-2014 17:10:21
+0000Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating
From: "spudboy...@aol.com" <spudboy...@aol.com>
>>I hopefully, wouldn't think that there's a tea party or libertarian view of
science. The libertarians, unless I am wrong, are 100% pro-science, many
atheists, and all that. Your 10000 extinction rate claim appears specious,
because if this was the case, not a tweet bird wouldn't exist, nor we be doing
the Everything List two-step.
Precisely -- that is YOUR GUESS. You are basically admitting that you are too
lazy to do the research and investigate the available public domain information
and data that exists, and that has been compiled for over a hundred and fifty
years or more with increasing accuracy and quantity of data over time. You
demonstrate a total lack of understanding of just how many species of life
exist
on this planet -- hint it is far greater than the census of song birds in your
back yard.
What you just admit you did -- to form your opinion -- is not science, but a
shallow anecdotal impression your Tea Party addled brain feels comfortable
with.
Your opinion is worthless. And so is mine. Fortunately there is a vast body of
field data, of biological censuses taken over time. The figure of 100,000 times
the background rate of extinction is derived from this body of existing data;
It
is also rather more rigorous than your anecdotal "certainty".
Do you really wish to continue making an idiot of yourself?
>>My guess is that whatever the human species is doing it is killing off lots
>>of
fauna and plants, especially in the hungry countries that want their people to
live better, materially. Having said that, it isn't 10000 times etc. If the
greens were sane, and I submit they are all limbic,
More of your bovine (unsupported anecdotal) opinions.... it must be very
self-affirming to live in this fact free world; where beliefs become reality by
being fervently believed.
Chris
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