2014-03-21 17:59 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com>: > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>: >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, >>>>>> Google seems to think it's "Rich Client Platform" but that doesn't sound >>>>>> quite right. It must be pretty obscure, Wikipedia has never heard of RCP >>>>>> either. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> For your information, that means "Regional Climate Prediction" >>>> >>> >>> I'm pretty sure it's not "Russian Communist Party" but are you sure it's >>> not "Representative Concentration Pathways"? >>> >> >> I'm pretty sure you must be dumb as dumb if you really think this... As I >> see we are in a thread talking about climate... >> > > This thread seems to be mostly about politics. To be fair, John seems to > be in the minority here in wanting to discuss this from a scientific and > technological perspective. > > He raises a number of points that I have raised myself in previous > discussions. Instead of focusing on such issues, pop culture distractions > (Fox News etc.) and political tribalism seem to get all of the attention. >
The thing is that I don't know much in climate and I prefer to let persons in the field handle that, by default I would believe them in these matters, they have more knowledge than me on these. I do not believe in conspiracy either... and all the comments about the "all or nothing" are complete BS... I don't see any point why we couldn't transition slowly to more sustainable source of energy... I don't see here in europe the kind of group anouncing doomsday and having a discourse like spudboy is saying... what he believe is just that beliefs... not facts. The green parties in europe certainly don't advocate such policies... and certainly not in my country (belgium) can't talk much for other countries, but they seems to be more or less the same views... No one is advocating to transition tomorrow (as in tomorrow tomorrow) to a full solar power (or other) and shut down all nuclear power plants... they are even people (green or not) considering the LFTR reactor we were talking about... climate and policies arount the mitigation of the global warming are not binary... either we do everything or nothing.... even if we were really doomed, that's not a reason not to try to mitigate things... even slowly, slow extinction seems better than dying tomorrow... and starting today even if today we thing we're doomed, doesn't mean tomorrow (and because we started today) we won't find a solution escaping this predicted doom... so I can't agree with an argument saying we should do nothing just because new form of energy production cannot currently totally replace the current form of production. Quentin > > - Given the number of climate models and the fact that the majority of > them failed to predict the climate of the last decade, how confident can we > be in further predictions? > > - With current technology, how much would we have to shrink the global > energy budget to transition to sustainable sources? What would the human > impact of that be? This is too serious an issue for wishful thinking. > Theres 7 billion of us and counting. We need hard numbers here, that take > into account the energy investment necessary to bootstrap the renewable > sources, their efficiency and so on. > > - What is the probability that a climate catastrophe awaits us vs. the > probability that an abrupt attempt to convert to sustainable sources would > create a human catastrophe itself? > > - Given that environmentalists are claiming that it might even be too late > to advert disaster, why aren't we seriously considering geoengineering > approaches, as the one proposed by Nathan Myhrvold, which can be easily and > cheaply tested and turned off at any moment? > > Also this: > > http://theenergycollective.com/robertwilson190/328841/why-germanys-nuclear-phase-out-leading-more-coal-burning > > Telmo. > > > >> using google correctly and not as an asshole... you would have found >> what you were looking for (if you genuinely were looking for it... but you >> weren't, you were trolling as usual). So blabla as usual... no point >> arguing with you. >> >> >>> Wikipedia lists 21 possible meanings of the acronym "RCP" and that's the >>> only one that has anything at all to do with the environment. Wikipedia has >>> never heard of "Regional Climate Prediction". >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCP >>> >>> >>> > (And I didn't know it before doing the search) >>>> >>> >>> Who did? >>> >>> > 0.5 second of searching on google... and the great John was unable to >>>> do it >>>> >>> >>> And still is. >>> >>> John K Clark >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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